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Tax avoidance
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Respectfully seeking your guidance on an edit to the James Dyson tax avoidance section, which at present is somewhat misleading and partial. New title and suggested edit with more detail, facts checked and sources cited below.
UK tax contribution and allegation of tax avoidance
editIn the 2022 Tax List published by The Sunday Times in January 2022, Sir James Dyson and family were listed 11th of the UK's 50 biggest taxpayers with a total of £101 million contributed for the last full year on record.[1] The IPPR think tank noted that only two of those listed in the 2021 Sunday Times Rich List - Dyson and the Weston family - were listed in this year's Tax List.[2] In the previous three years, Dyson had featured at 6th, 4th and 3rd in the Sunday Times Tax List, reportedly contributing a total of £345.8 million to the UK exchequer.[3][4][5]
Dyson publicly stated in 2008, “I think it’s wrong to direct your business for tax reasons. Your business should be where you can do it best.” [6] However, his company Dyson Ltd, for a limited period in the late 2000s, set up multiple complex structures using a new parent company in Malta[7] and group financing companies in Luxembourg and the Isle of Man. It has been alleged the structures were used to generate tax deductions in the UK via intragroup financing and relied on deals with the Luxembourg tax authorities revealed in the Lux Leaks. Dyson denied the non-UK structures used created any tax benefit in the UK, telling the Guardian in 2014: "At no time did the [group's former] non-UK structure deliver any significant tax advantage and, of the entities in question all have been dissolved or are in a liquidation process."[6]
Olddeerpark (talk) 16:29, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Olddeerpark,
- Thanks for your amendments and discussion. I think your adjustments add interesting information but actually make the section more misleading and impartial.
- Estimations vs Allegations
- The Sunday Times list estimates tax contributed, yet you've presented it as a neutral fact. The specific Lux Leak documents provide primary evidence of the creation of tax deductible interest payments in the UK, but you've described this as an 'allegation'. Why is the estimate of a tax contribution presented as a neutral fact and the factual demonstration of the creation of UK tax-deductible interest payments presented as an 'allegation'? Perhaps we could distinguish between the fact that Dyson create additional UK tax deductions using £300m of internal loans via Malta, Isle of Man and Luxembourg, and the allegation that this constitutes 'tax avoidance'? That might be a more neutral compromise?
- Adding the primary evidence rather than just The Guardian article might help focus on facts over commentary: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1345462-dyson-2009-tax-ruling.html
- Time frames
- Where is your source for the Malta structure being used 'for a limited period in the late 2000s' from? Apologies if I've missed something in the sources that clarifies this. I can see the Matlese entity was incorporated 19 Nov 2009 but not when exactly it was struck off. Dyson say the structure incorporating the Maltese entity, Isle of Man and Luxembourg entities was only wound down in 2013. Is there a reason you've minimised the time-frame that the tax reducing structure was in place?
- Your word 'limited', even if the time frame were 2009-2010, is impartial. If I eat a steak for lunch today, it's a value judgement to say I spent a 'limited' time eating meat today.
- I think we will need to find a more balanced way of showing the estimation of contribution and avoidance.
- Thank you
- BampyTortoise BampyTortoise (talk) 10:41, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Watts, Robert. "The Tax List 2022: the UK's 50 biggest taxpayers revealed". thetimes.co.uk. The Sunday Times. Retrieved 19 February 2022.
- ^ "Missing: the UK's richest who are absent from the Sunday Times top 10 taxpayers list". ippr.org.uk. IPPR. Retrieved 19 February 2022.
- ^ Watts, Roberts. "The Sunday Times Tax List 2021: the UK's 50 biggest taxpayers". thetimes.co.uk. The Sunday Times. Retrieved 19 February 2022.
- ^ Watts, Roberts. "The Sunday Times Tax List 2020: meet Britain's top 50 tax payers". thetimes.co.uk. The Sunday Times. Retrieved 19 February 2022.
- ^ Watts, Robert. "Tax List 2019: David Beckham and James Dyson among biggest payers". thetimes.co.uk. The Sunday Times. Retrieved 19 February 2022.
- ^ a b Bowers, Simon (2014-11-05). "Luxembourg tax files: how tiny state rubber-stamped tax avoidance on an industrial scale". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2021-09-23.
- ^ "CLEAR COVER LIMITED | ICIJ Offshore Leaks Database". offshoreleaks.icij.org. Retrieved 2021-09-23.
Adding official title for James Dyson
editJames Dyson loves working in an office so much this should be represented on this page correctly 140.228.52.249 (talk) 21:37, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
What does this even mean? MurrayGreshler (talk) 22:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
How has this shill piece not been flagged?
editYou bet it sounds like a PR piece. Are Dyson’s handlers reversing a bunch of edits? No controversy section? Anyone reading this would think that this man walks on water—I think his mere name in the first sentence is the longest list of titles and qualifiers of eminence I’ve ever seen. This is a depressing example of Wikipedia being exploited for personal gain and the sanitation of a powerful man’s reputation. What’s the point of having it flagged as “reading like a PR piece” if no one locks out the PR agency from editing it? Alanrobts (talk) 02:34, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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