Talk:Jack Block Park
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Orange Suede Sofa in topic Plagiarism/copyright issue?
 | A fact from Jack Block Park appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 April 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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Dubious citation
editThe statement "The site of the park was previously occupied by a wood treatment plant and a shipbuilding facility, both shut down in 1924 after several suicides, officially attributed to the creosote used in wood treatment," is cited to a source that says nothing of the sort. This would seem to me to be the sort of statement that deserves a decent citation. - Jmabel | Talk 06:24, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- The "wood treatment plant" would be Colmans Creosote Plant, visible on Baist's Real Estate Atlas of Surveys of Seattle, Washington from 1912, 26 (PDF). That shows the other portion of the park as Schwager Nettleton Sawmill and Lumber Yard, although that may well have been succeeded by a shipbuilding facility during World War I. - Jmabel | Talk 06:28, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- It looks like "both shut down in 1924 after several suicides, officially attributed to the creosote used in wood treatment" was added 13 months ago without citation by 76.121.82.209 (talk · contribs), an IP whose contributions in general look dubious. Given that this conflicts with the chronology as I understand it (the 5-year EPA report shows the creosoting plant as being in use until 1994), I am removing this. Is no one watching this article? - Jmabel | Talk 06:46, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- I'll add more accurate information.
I see no evidence of the "shipbuilding facility" in any of the cited sources, but perhaps I'm missing something. Given the state of this I will remove that, too, substituting what I can cite for. If "shipbuilding facility" is citable, please restore with citation.- Jmabel | Talk 07:24, 27 July 2019 (UTC)- I found where "shipbuilding facility" came from; I'll cite it. I think it's wrong, though. - Jmabel | Talk 07:30, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- By the way: if someone wants to get hold of me on this discussion, please ping me. I don't maintain a watchlist on en-wiki these days. - Jmabel | Talk 07:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Plagiarism/copyright issue?
editSome of this hews so closely to the following previously unacknowledged source that there may be a plagiarism/copyright issue. I leave it to others to work through this. "Jack Block Park". Port of Seattle. Retrieved July 27, 2019. - Jmabel | Talk 07:39, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
- It's the other way around. I created this article eight years ago, and at the time, the only material available from the Port of Seattle website was mere acknowledgement that the park existed. You can verify this from the Wayback Machine view of the Port's page for this park in 2012. The text was written by me, drawing from the sources indicated in the original edit. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 05:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! - Jmabel | Talk 15:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- I see now that in this edit you incorrectly cited the plagiarizing page as the source for those statements. I intend to undo that edit unless there's a good reason not to. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! - Jmabel | Talk 15:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC)