Talk:It's a Crime (play-by-mail game)

DYK nomination

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 09:03, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that players chose their own gang names such as "Killer Penguins", "Molly Maguires", and "Zaphod Beeblebrox" in the play-by-mail game It's a Crime which won Origins Awards in 1986 and 1989? Source: John F. Hainly, (1988). "From Street Punk to Godfather Part 1: The Making of A Mob Boss or "My Son, The Criminal"". Paper Mayhem: The Informative Play By Mail Magazine. July/August 1988 (#31), p.8; John F. Hainly, (1988). "From Street Punk to Godfather Part 2: The Struggle for Godfather or "Making Offers You Can't Refuse"". Paper Mayhem: The Informative Play By Mail Magazine. September/October 1988 (#32): p. 8.

• ALT1:... to achieve victory as "Godfather", players had to first succeed as a gang leader before rising to mob boss level in the play-by-mail game It's a Crime which won Origins Awards in 1986 and 1989? Source: John F. Hainly, (1988). "From Street Punk to Godfather Part 1: The Making of A Mob Boss or "My Son, The Criminal"". Paper Mayhem: The Informative Play By Mail Magazine. July/August 1988 (#31), p.6.
• Comment: Nomination in an under-represented play-by-mail topic — shows the diversity of Wikipedia articles
• Reviewed: This is my third DYK nomination; I believe I have a grace period of a few nominations before required reviews.

Created by Airborne84 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:39, 14 March 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - n

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - Hooks are somewhat confusing and need copyediting

QPQ: None required.

Overall: --evrik ^(talk) 16:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• ALT1a:... to win the play-by-mail game It's a Crime, players had to first succeed as a gang leader before rising to mob boss level, and achieve victory as "Godfather"?

@evrik I really like your ALT1a recommendation. I'm fine with that. An alternative could also be add the words "award winning" before "play-by-mail game" since I believe the gaming community sees the Origins Awards as consequential and this game won two. That would be:

• ALT1b:... to win the award-winning play-by-mail game It's a Crime, players had to first succeed as a gang leader before rising to mob boss level, and achieve victory as "Godfather"?

I'd lean toward the latter, but I'm ok with ALT1a or ALT1b. Your call. Thanks for the review. Airborne84 (talk) 23:07, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• New reviewer needed to check newest hooks, the first of which was proposed by the original reviewer and must be checked by someone else. Thanks. (I struck the prior hooks since they were problematic per the original reviewer.) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• Aarrhggh. The hook is not supported by the article. What is says is: At a certain point in games, gangs were chosen to form crime families, transitioning the game to the "boss level" Having not played the game, I have no idea how this was done. For that matter, while it says that Success led to the title of "mob boss" there is no definition of what constituted "success" in game terms, or whether this was necessary for the transition to boss level. I'm also curious about how you attained the title of Godfather and retained it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7, fair points. I've further developed the text of the article in the "Gameplay" section and I believe the text with inline citations supports the hook(s) as written now—whether ALT1a, or ALT1b. Thanks for weighing in. Airborne84 (talk) 03:46, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: AGF on offline hook; Good to Go on ALT1a or ALT1b (I prefer ALT1a) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)