Talk:Iran–Saudi Arabia relations

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The resolution of the islands

The following statement is claimed in this article: "... The then Shah (King) of Iran reciprocated by paying an official visit to Saudi Arabia which eventually lead to a peaceful resolution of the islands of Farsi and Arabi. It was agreed between Iran and Saudi Arabia that the island of Farsi will be possessed by Iran and the island of Arabi will be under the control of Saudi Arabia..."

There are a couple of issue in about this claim:

1. What are exactly "the islands of Farsi and Arabi?" No islands with such names exists in Persian Gulf. The exact names of the islands should be presented, and a reference should be given. Otherwise, this statement should be deleted from the article.

2. The name of the King of Iran should also be presented.

FakhredinBlog (talk) 12:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

They actually do. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Arabi_Island https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Farsi_Island https://www.google.com/maps/place/Arabi+Island/@27.7801361,49.0553211,8z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x3e4aad8c5093ce8d:0xd5ee335cb4b266db!8m2!3d27.7786111!4d50.1761111

They're just tiny spits of sand in the ocean though. Seems a good idea to me that the name of the King of Iran be included as well. Kind of strange to say the Shah of Iran in english, no? It's kind of like saying The rey of Spain lives in Madrid, or Louis was rei of France. Alcibiades979 (talk) 13:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Saudi-Arabia provided more assistance to Hamas than Iran? Prove?

In the article it says that "Iran has provided funding to Hamas but more funding has come from Saudi Arabia and also from the Sunni Arab countries like Qatar, UAE etc." and refers to this article: http://www.economist.com/node/12959539?story_id=12959539

But this claim quoted above is not traceable anywhere in the article. Therefore I ask to remove that part, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.238.213.145 (talk) 23:26, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

potential WSJ resources

• Iran, Saudi Officials Hold Rare Talks by Ellen Knickmeyer WSJ 14.December.2011

97.87.29.188 (talk) 23:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

• Iran Tries to Repair Saudi Arabia Split 15.December.2011 by Farnaz Fassihi, reporting from Beirut excerpt ...

  Iran's diplomatic overture to Saudi Arabia this week appeared designed to smooth over allegations that Tehran had tried to assassinate a top Saudi envoy, suggesting Iran is stepping up efforts to safeguard its role as a key Middle East power player. Tehran is already under pressure from the West over its nuclear program. In recent months, it has come into increasingly pitched diplomatic conflict with Saudi Arabia, its traditional rival for influence in the region.

  97.87.29.188 (talk) 00:06, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Conclusion

Why is there a conclusion? Reads like someone's high school essay... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.134.139.176 (talk) 04:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Pre 20th Century?

Doesn't the current situation reflect a bit on bad blood in their common history? Can we have a See Also link or something? Hcobb (talk) 22:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a see also to Iran-Arab relations. Saudi Arabia did not exist before the 20th century. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 05:36, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

That's really obscure. Perhaps a Arab/Persian relations cat is needed? Hcobb (talk) 23:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Rtnews template

I've removed the Russia Today news template from the page, as it had raised concern because it pointed to a single trending news page, rather than a selection of trend pages, and after discussion in the appropriate places, it's easier to remove it than it is to add lots of other trend pages, as I don't know of any (don't have time to look). If there are any comments, concerns, or suggestions please reply on my talkpage, as I don't watch this page. Penyulap ☏ 03:34, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Removal of Country Comparison table

• Removed, and would really appreciate discussion on this. Reasoning on the lines of Talk:Iran–Israel_relations#Removal_of_Country_Comparison.

The section concerning ties between Iran, the United States, and Saudi Arabia appears biased?

The language used in this section reflects an American viewpoint by analyzing events surrounding Iran and Saudi Arabian from a perspective that holds American interests above accurately portraying the issue. I'm researching various sources from global and regional journals to gain better insight to how the three countries operate in regards to each other. Thoughts? By adding in roughly four or five sources for the section, I believe it will look and sound much more reputable to the casual viewer. AboveTheIssues (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC) AboveTheIssues

Israeli-Hamas conflict section?

What does what has been said on said section about Iranian-Saudi Arabian relations? Yes, it says Iran pressured all Arab countries to support Hamas but it is really something to go on the "Iran-Israel relations". Jackninja5 (talk) 04:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Shia Rebellion in Yemen -> Houthi Rebellion in Yemen

I changed the redirect in the Article from the "Shia Rebellion" to the "Houthi Rebellion" in Yemen. I explored my reasons a bit in the summary of the edit but I wanted to further articulate them a bit here, incase there's any disagreement about this edit. The first reason is because the Houthi Rebellion in Western Media, atleast, is much more widely used than Shia Rebellion. Furthermore when discussing the differences between Saudi Arabia and Iran the article mentions numerous times the different interpretations of Islam between the two, Saudi being Sunni and Iran Shia. In this sense Shia is used as short hand for Shia 12er, which is fine and Shia is often used in this regard, but following this with describing the Houthis as Shia implies that the Houthis and Iranians follow the same form of Islam, they do not. The Houthis tend to be Shia Fivers, and the Iranians tend to be Shia 12ers. Shiism is of course exceedingly diverse and has manifested itself throughout history in many different numbers and regions, the Alawites and Bashar Al Asad for instance are technically Shia though are seldom characterized as such as this terminology isn't helpful. Which is the the second main reason I changed this, it sets up a false equivalency between the Islam practiced by a significant group in Yemen, and that Iran. Iranian Twelver Shiism centers around the twelfth Imam, Mahdi, who, they believe is currently alive and in occultation and will come back at the end of time and the apocalypse, where as the Shia Fivers don't believe any of this. So as such using Shia as a blanket term I felt in this context toward the Fivers created a false equivalency between the two. The two schools are infact quite different, which is the other reason I changed this redirect. If anyone disagrees with this change or would like to discuss it please let me know. Alcibiades979 (talk) 08:04, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I am from Yemen. There are very very few Shia in Yemen. It's like 3% of the population. The term Zaidi has become a regional name in Yemen, it means northern Yemen. There is "Zaidi dialect" meaning Northern dialect. When you ask anyone from the north, are you Zaidi? He will say "yes" yet he is Sunni, you will even find people saying we are Zaidi Sunnis. We don't know how many actual Zaidis are there in Yemen but they are very very few. Statistics always include these who identify as Zaidis(northerns) as if they are Zaidis in religion. Most of the Houthis are from the North but most of them are not Zaidis in religion.--SharabSalam (talk) 08:16, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, the problem is that often Wikipedia has to condense incredibly complex subjects in to short articles because alot of people lack the time to give the articles the detail they need. For instance Iran's cultural identity fits in to this article. Now I've meet and talked to a number of Iranians and Sigmund Freud could not give a good answer as to they complexities of Iranian identity (The Shahnameh is the National Epic, where the heroes are the Zoroastrians and the Muslims are the enemies in a country which is majority muslim), so the parts on that in this article are short even though they deserve much more attention with regard to how they shape Iran's foreign policy. So best to stay away from misleading statements like the "Shia Rebellion" in Yemen me thinks. Alcibiades979 (talk) 08:43, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Peace Deal

Iran and Saudi Arabia have now resumed relations, right? 38.71.13.0 (talk) 20:50, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

This is not a forum. The TP's are for the discussion of Reliable Sources to improve the articles. HammerFilmFan (talk) 05:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Hajj execution

In 1943, an Iranian person vomited on the ground near Kaaba during the Hajj pilgrimage, whom Saudi officials tried and executed for intentional vomiting on the sacred land of Kaaba. But Iran said it was an accident and he was ill. This caused the relations to severe and Iran didn't send pilgrims to Saudi Arabia for a few years. Aminabzz (talk) 22:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Potential for Iran and Saudi (and Arab states) to start a war against Israel and Turkey

The head of the army in Saudi has gone to Iran, while Israel and Turkey have increased relations due to their (NATO) allegiance; or probably regional interests. Shouldn't we add that to the Middle Eastern Crisis article? Ultimate Tai (talk) 20:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)