Talk:Iolaus

Support

The first paragraph (last revised 18 Feb 2007) has no citations - what support is there? Livia 130.91.116.190 19:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Television

The bit about the television Iolaus seems to be full of original research... Lots42 (talk) 18:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Heracles' Brother or Nephew?

I quote two segments of the article: "In Greek mythology, Iolaus (in Greek, Ἰόλαος) was a Theban divine hero, son of Iphicles, Heracles's brother, and Automedusa." "He was famed for being Heracles's nephew and for helping with some of his Labors."

These are directly after each other and say two different things. The former says that he is Heracles' Brother, while the latter says that he is Heracles' nephew. Which is it? Polantaris (talk) 11:19, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

brother or nephew

I agree there seems to be a problem with the term Brother, Nephew. The Greek term adelphos has a wide meaning. It is not restricted to full brother, half brother, even male kin. The relationships get even more vague when you include kinsmen fellows. Look-up also adelphoi (plural brothers) and adelphe (sister).

come on

Hes saying that Iolus is his nephew and the his brother Ipceles is his brother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.116.199 (talk) 02:57, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

References

Error in paragraph about Leipephilene?

In article on Iolaus ( https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Iolaus ), there is a curious non sequitur:

"Heracles gave his wife, Megara, age thirty three, to Iolaus, then only sixteen years old[5] – ostensibly because the sight of her reminded him of his murder of their three children. They had a daughter, Leipephilene. He was one of the Heraclidae.[6]"

Now, reference 6 refers to the rejuvenation of Iolaus, and makes no reference to Leipehilene. But, the reason I am writing, rather than just edit the following apparent mistake, or unclear reference, is the fact that the Heraclidae (-idae is a patronymic suffix for "son of") were male heirs, not daughters.

I feel this is a mistake since Leipephilene can not be an Heraclidos and, if "He" refers to Iolaus, that's incorrect also since he was a friend, not a descendant of Heracles. Or maybe I misunderstood Ovid. Or this passage in Wikipedia.

I tried to look at history (am new to this too) to write a talk message to person who wrote the above but was unsuccessful.

Respectfully Richrat4 (talk) 19:17, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Plutarch

The quote about lovers visiting the tomb of Iolaus comes from Plutarch's Pelopidas

Gorgidas, according to some, first formed the Sacred Band of three hundred chosen men, to whom, as being a guard for the citadel, the State allowed provision, and all things necessary for exercise: and hence they were called the city band, as citadels of old were usually called cities. Others say that it was composed of young men attached to each other by personal affection, and a pleasant saying of Pammenes is current, that Homer's Nestor was not well skilled in ordering an army, when he advised the Greeks to rank tribe and tribe, and family and family together, that-

"So tribe might tribe, and kinsmen kinsmen aid." but that he should have joined lovers and their beloved. For men of the same tribe or family little value one another when dangers press; but a band cemented by friendship grounded upon love is never to be broken, and invincible; since the lovers, ashamed to be base in sight of their beloved, and the beloved before their lovers, willingly rush into danger for the relief of one another. Nor can that be wondered at since they have more regard for their absent lovers than for others present; as in the instance of the man who, when his enemy was going to kill him, earnestly requested him to run him through the breast, that his lover might not blush to see him wounded in the back. It is a tradition likewise that Iolaus, who assisted Hercules in his labours and fought at his side, was beloved of him; and Aristotle observes that, even in his time, lovers plighted their faith at Iolaus's tomb. It is likely, therefore, that this band was called sacred on this account; as Plato calls a lover a divine friend. It is stated that it was never beaten till the battle at Chaeronea: and when Philip, after the fight, took a view of the slain, and came to the place where the three hundred that fought his phalanx lay dead together, he wondered, and understanding that it was the band of lovers, he shed tears and said, "Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything that was base."

The context is about the Sacred Band, who was a homosexual military unit, so the context is not completely removed from homosexual or pederastic relations. But it does not technically in the sentence mention it. Harizotoh9 (talk) 11:50, 21 February 2022 (UTC)