Talk:Ihor Bodrov

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Requested move 18 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 14:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

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Ihor Bodrov → Igor Bodrov – I am proposing a move to Igor Bodrov (currently a redirect to this article) because this article refers to him universally by that name, as do most other sources (the exceptions mostly being other Wikis and other WMF projects). I just wanted to discuss first as I (don't know about other people though) classify this as controversial. Aydoh8 (talk) 00:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:01, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Well then the article text ignoring the title spelling is the problem. Some sources are inaccessible and some spell his name Ihor. Is there a rationale to rename based on usage? If so, it should be demonstrated by surveying reliable sources.  —Michael Z. 13:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

And I see it is not universal.  —Michael Z. 13:07, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I have fixed the inconsistency by changing some spellings to match the article title. It appears the article has always been at this title, and the other spelling was introduced into the text after the fact.  —Michael Z. 18:49, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Running has been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:01, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Similar to Olha Kharlan → Olga Kharlan, a nomination still active at Talk:Olha Kharlan#Requested move 30 July 2023. As indicated there, Ukrainian language has no "G" and Russian language has no "H". Since Ihor Bodrov is clearly Ukrainian and not Russian, his name should be rendered in English using Ukrainian transliteration and not Russian transliteration. As another example of an (unsuccessful) G → H nomination of another notable Ukrainian, see Oleg Sentsov → Oleh Sentsov at Talk:Oleg Sentsov#Requested move 21 October 2016. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:18, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

  Point of technicality: the Cyrillic letter Г is H in Ukrainian and G in Russian. Ukrainian does also have Ґ, G, but it appears in few words and names, and was banned in the Soviet Union from about 1933 to 1988, and Ukrainian H was officially romanized as G, to cause confusion and Russify the language (some people habitually do it thus to this day in good faith). Olga and Igor are Russian, but they also occur as Russified Ukrainian.  —Michael Z. 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

  (And both languages have the letter Х, usually romanized as Kh, but as H in Russified schemes that further alienate the proper Ukrainian Г, H.)  —Michael Z. 21:37, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

• weak oppose it appears that he used 'Igor' [1], but it is an unverified account—blindlynx 16:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose National governing bodies and coverage all use "Ihor". Competitors have a right to specify something different from governing bodies, and the fact the subject has not done this indicates no need to move. SFB 17:50, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Oppose. The currently accessible sources cited in the article use both spellings. Per WP:UKR, in the absence of a demonstrated WP:COMMONNAME, Ukrainian names use the standard romanization. There is no guidelines-based rationale given to ignore that or to rename.  —Michael Z. 00:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.