Talk:IIII (album)

Requested move 2 January 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) — HTGS (talk) 22:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

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IIII (album) → IIII – unambiguous 162 etc. (talk) 05:18, 2 January 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). UtherSRG (talk) 21:22, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

@162 etc.: This is not "unambiguous". It is clearly started on Roman numerals that "there is a tradition favouring representation of "4" as "IIII" on Roman numeral clocks". So not everybody searching for IIII will mean Robin Schulz's album. Ss112 07:21, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

It is very unlikely that somebody searching for Roman numerals or Clock face or something similar would use "IIII" as a search term. The current redirect got less than 2 hits a day last year. I've created a dabpage for now, but even that seems like overkill. A hatnote is more than sufficient. 162 etc. (talk) 17:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose and not remotely a TR as Ss112 says. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:37, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Albums, WikiProject Electronic music and WikiProject Germany have been notified of this discussion. UtherSRG (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per Ss112. The target is currently a dab page with both a mention of the Roman numeral and a link to the album, meaning that search is one step away from the album already. That's hardly a burden to navigation, whereas there's a much stronger case that the requested change would be. QuietHere (talk) 00:28, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support. This is the only article titled "IIII", but even if we consider the Roman numeral, the album is the overwhelming WP:primary topic with 96% of the pageviews in 2022. The large majority of readers expect an article about the album, not a two-entry dab page. A hatnote to Roman numeral could be added for the small minority. Station1 (talk) 06:14, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

  Searching "Roman numeral + IIII" in GBooks produces many instances of IV being written IIII. Search for German DJ and record producer Robin Schulz in GBooks produces nothing, his album which charted 9 in Germany in 2021 likewise. Ergo this obscure German album fails WP:PT on both criteria. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

  Incidentally, de:IIII shows

  das römische Zahlzeichen Vier in Additionsschreibweise (z. B. im Zimmermannshandwerk als Abbundzeichen), sonst IV

  IIII – The Albums of Labour, Album (2004) von Veni Domine

  IIII, Album (2007) von Farsot

  IIII, Album (2015) von Stanfour

  IIII (Album), Album (2021) von Robin Schulz

  Siehe auch:

  Legio IIII Flavia Felix

  Legio IIII Italica

  Legio IIII Macedonica

  Legio IIII Martia

  Legio IIII Parthica

  Legio IIII Scythica

  Legio IIII Sorana

  ....so real world history and reality must be give a space next to de:IIII (Album), das vierte Studioalbum des deutschen DJs und Musikproduzenten Robin Schulz. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

  There's no question that IV is occasionally written as IIII. The question is, Is IIII an encyclopedic topic, and if so, is there a primary topic? The objective answer is that there is no article specifically about the Roman numeral IIII on Wikipedia, and that approximately 25 times as many readers click on the article about the album than the redirect that pointed to the article about Roman numerals generally. To place a two-entry dab page in the way of the majority is a disservice to them with no compensating benefit to the minority. Station1 (talk) 21:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. My reply above was not a formal !vote, but this is. I do not think an album by Robin Schulz that charted across Europe matches centuries of the use of IIII as a Roman numeral/alternative to IV, nor do I think number of clicks because of a more recent album means it should be at the base title. Ss112 03:02, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose the Roman numeral is likely primary by long-term significance so a DAB is probably best. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:50, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.