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Structure of the article

Most of the sections are incoherent. There are grammar errors and general need for copy-editing, lead and introduction sections should be entirely rewritten IMHO.

Sensors and actuators sections are entirely out of place, perhaps better substituted by a section discussing general technologies that are particular to humanoid shaped robots, contrasting them to other robotics. The developments timeline is pretty random too.

Should be tagged for full rewrite, copy-editing and expert attention ? Savuporo (talk) 06:10, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Completely wrong definition

-"A humanoid robot is an autonomous robot because it can adapt to changes in its environment or itself and continue to reach its goal. This is the main difference between humanoid and other kinds of robots."

-This is completely false and unaccurate. A humanoid is not necessarily autonomous (Asimo is not) or adaptive or intelligent. This IS NOT the "main difference" between anything. This should be deleted or modified

I agree. Callivert (talk) 12:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

seconded. Most of current humanoids around are telerobotic not autonomous, with only a slight degree of autonomy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Savuporo (talk • contribs) 20:37, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

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-I see a grammerical error in RoboSapiens. Im going to edit that now. -Mike —The preceding unsigned comment was added by []] (talk • contribs) 08:33, 30 October 2006.

Not sure if this is the place to put it, but Kawada has unveiled the HRP-2.[1] Beowulph 18:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

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I'm not sure if the timeline should be in this article. It is not even close to complete (it would be hard to complete). It is missing obvious projects like COG (which is still listed in the article, but not in the timeline), and even HRP-2 mentioned just above, and is available in far more detail on many other web sites. Perhaps the "time line" section should just contain links to other resources, or be removed altogether? --JCipriani 00:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking about moving the timeline to a position near the bottom of the article and putting it in a table. Any objections? I wouldn't be any good at saying which entries are more notable, or which should stay or go, but I would suggest moving it to its own page if it continues to grow. Robotman1974 07:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I've moved the timeline (now in a table) to the bottom of the article. Robotman1974 12:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ethical concerns misplaced?

Shouldn't the section on ethical concerns fall over the ambit of AI - specifically, Philosophy of artificial intelligence - rather than humanoid robots? There isn't really a strong link between a humanoid robot form and the ethical concerns expressed on this page.

I suggest that the ethical concerns section instead say "Most of the ethical concerns associated with development of humanoid robots have to do with their level of intelligence or free will. For more information, see Philosophy of artificial intelligence."

If there are some ethical concerns specifically associated with humanoid robots (e.g. deception associated with the robots being physically indistinguishable from humans), they would belong in this article - otherwise my view is that there's really not much of a reason to keep the section here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.69.74.37 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 21 November 2006.

This page needs major cleanup. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.114.2.118 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 27 November 2006.

Shadow Hand

I added Shadow Hand from the timeline as it is not a full humanoid robot. I think that at this late stage in development, there are too many new advances in the technology of separate parts for them to be included in such a timeline. Further, I feel that new and expected advances shouldn't get new entries - those should be reserved for entirely new serious humanoid robot projects. I've moved the link to the "See also" section. Robotman¹⁹⁷⁴ 16:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that shadow hand seems to be put up everywhere. AI and now here, someone wants to push the product... 93.125.198.182 (talk) 22:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge

I strongly support the proposed merge - let's face it - this is the same subject. Ok, so these articles have slightly different flavours, but they're made of the same stuff. Forgive me if I've made a mistake, but I see no other discussion of the proposed merge here. Tree Kittens 08:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

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I do support the merge. 'Android' (and Gynoid) are historically-used terms that have no direct reference to a specific corporation or patent. They are recognized words which can be found in any unabridged dictionary whereas 'Actroid' is a name (probably trademarked) given to a specific line of products created by Osaka Corp and is not found in a dictionary. While Actroid could be added to the Android article as a specific reference to an example of applied Android technology, it should likely remain as a seperate article unless many more examples apart from the Osaka Corp. products are included to prevent biased content within the article. D.Leslie 22-Oct-2007 10:31 (UTC)

I dispute the idea that finding or not something in a dictionary made by someone (or even in wiktionary) serves as a justification for anything. (but that doesn't mean I support or not any actions regarding the actoroid thing, or whatever) -- NIC1138 (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

no it is NOT the same subject just because it has different title! Wikipedia will lost fotos that are different on each article. insted will gain another long article. Difference is that androids mimics humans, humanoid robots mimic human movement. Android is trying to hide its robotic origin. Thanks and stop merging articles. Everything is the same anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.250.202.212 (talk) 18:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

That is likely the important images (photos) in those articles are part of Wikipedia Commons thus they are free and will not be deleted, the remaining fair use images are of fiction and they either belong in those articles or aren't needed at all. - Caribbean~H.Q. 18:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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I assume you guys above are discussing a merge between Humanoid Robot and Android and Gynoid? Another issue might be the merge of Humanoid with Humanoid Robot? If you go to the Humanoid page, it doesn't even link to Humanoid Robot! I'm just about to add a link from Humanoid to Humanoid Robot, but it still might not be obvious for people to find this page. Shervinemami (talk) 07:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

What's missing?

This line's a bit of a "What?"

Miomir Vukobratovic and his associates at Mihajlo Pupin Institute the first active anthropomorphic exoskeleton.

Etymology

Since "human" comes from Latin, and the -oid thing is Greek, can we say this is one of those word invented mixing up Latin and Greek carelessly? Wouldn't "anthropoid" be more correct?

I dispute a bit this idea that "android" means a strictly "male humanoid", and gynoid (why not "gymnoid"?) is the female counterpart. I would like to remove this from the article, and certainly I would like to move this sentence away from the beginning of it... -- NIC1138 (talk) 17:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Misuse of sources

Jagged 85 (talk · contribs) is one of the main contributors to Wikipedia (over 67,000 edits; he's ranked 198 in the number of edits), and practically all of his edits have to do with Islamic science, technology and philosophy. This editor has persistently misused sources here over several years. This editor's contributions are always well provided with citations, but examination of these sources often reveals either a blatant misrepresentation of those sources or a selective interpretation, going beyond any reasonable interpretation of the authors' intent. Please see: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jagged 85. That's an old and archived RfC. The point is still valid though, and his contribs need to be doublechecked. I searched the page history, and found 10 edits by Jagged 85 (for example, see this edit ). Tobby72 (talk) 15:03, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Robot rights

"Humanoid robots, especially without artificial intelligence algorithms, could be useful for future dangerous and/or distant space exploration missions, without having the need to turn back around again and return to Earth once the mission is completed." This is UNFAIR to a robot to leave it on a distant planet to die after its mission is over. ROBOT RIGHTS NOW!. Keraunos (talk) 00:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Lol - You better start a vigil then for Phoenix :¬)

A robot is a robot - unless it is sentient it cannot have rights Chaosdruid (talk) 01:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

ASIMO is not the first autonomous humanoid

Danim reversed my correction on this point in the timeline. The description is far too broad and doesn't apply to the current state of ASIMO's capabilities. Besides, the SONY QRIO had similar functionality to the current ASIMO - it was designed to be completely autonomous (much like the AIBO) and had been shown navigating complex environments on its own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamsSSessions (talk • contribs) 02:33, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

External Links

Danim removed a link to Plastic Pals, which lists more than 380 humanoid robots. A similar website, Android World and Razor Robotics were permitted, despite the fact they contain less information and are poorly sourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamsSSessions (talk • contribs) 02:35, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

More about it here: Talk:Robotics#External link removal: Plastic Pals. Danim (talk) 00:01, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

First mention of Robots

Homer's Iliad (or Odyssey, don't remember which one of the two) speaks of God Hefestos having created golden women mechanical servants — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.4.84.29 (talk) 11:24, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Timeline

Added some missing robots in the timeline, like HRP2, Nao, iCub, Mahru, Twendy-One, Kobian and the Geminoid series. Feel free to correct me or change a reference. JohannCR (talk) 12:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Akinoid 3

Hey guys,

you forgot to mention this robot from Turkey:

http://www.akinrobotics.com/eng/akinsoft-insansi-robot-akinci-3-akinoid-3.php

Greetings

84.59.180.2 (talk) 23:20, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

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Don't list all humanoid robots in the see also section

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Tesla is beyond irrelevant here

Tesla has NOTHING to do with humanoid robots. His radio controled boat is a boat. Not an≥ automata or a humanoid robot. This is nonsense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.232.37.49 (talk) 17:25, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Propose deletion of "Humanoid Robots Which Surpass the Uncanny Valley" section

This section is entirely out of place for an encyclopedic article on humanoid robots. A section on humanoid robots in films or television might be in order, but in that case, it needs a total rewrite.KaldeFakta68 (talk) 23:37, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Kondo Robots

Perhaps a page for Kondo Kagaku Co. Ltd can be made ? In particula their KHR-3HV R2 can be mentioned alongside the heel-to-toe gait upgrade by Masahiko Yamaguchi (see i-programmer.info post. It is a small robot, similar to the Nao, but perhaps worth mentioning. Genetics4good (talk) 12:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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