Talk:Houses of Hillel and Shammai

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This article will eventually be a whole lot longer than it is now, as more information is added.Please feel free to add data without waiting for me. This is a very important chapter in Jewish history and deserves an extensive treatment. Das Baz, aka Erudil 17:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Hillel and Shammai vs. Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai

This article is about Hillel and Shammai, two rabbis who lived at the same time, and who differed on some issues of Jewish law. It is not about the schools they founded and the various disputes those schools had later on. Those schools have articles of their own (House of Hillel and House of Shammai). -LisaLiel (talk) 22:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I've made a start, but only a start, at fixing these. But they really don't belong on this page, or if so the page needs to be renamed. The actual differences between Hillel and Shammai are very few. Three are listed in Eduyot — the ones in which the halacha follows neither one. Then there's the running dispute between the Zugot over semicha. And I think there's one more.

The idea that Shammai held that small children had to fast is pure ignorance. Someone grossly misread the source and leaped to a wildly inaccurate conclusion. -- Zsero (talk) 00:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

It is ridiculous to say that “this is the belief of modern”

it’s simply not true or correct

and amounts to nonsense. Ganellis (talk) 09:27, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

B'rov am hadrat melech

For another interesting dispute between the schools of Hillel and Shammai, see B'rov am hadrat melech Das Baz, aka Erudil 19:52, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Wording issues

Hi, all, I went through and fixed some of the punctuation issues with the references, however, I'm not sure about the comma vs semicolon in the last paragraph, as I'm not familiar with the subject, so if someone who IS familiar with it could check that punctuation out, I'd appreciate it.--Vidkun (talk) 01:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

The specific bit at which I'm looking was originally:

• Under Gamaliel II, the Sanhedrin, which was reconstituted in Yavne (see also Council of Jamnia), reviewed all the points disputed by the House of Hillel, and this time it was their opinions which won the Sanhedrin's support, on most issues; it was said that whenever the House of Shammai had disputed the opinion of the House of Hillel, the House of Shammai's opinion was now null and void.

the new version is

• Under Gamaliel II, the Sanhedrin, which was reconstituted in Yavne (see also Council of Jamnia), reviewed all the points disputed by the House of Hillel, and this time it was their opinions which won the Sanhedrin's support; on most issues, it was said that whenever the House of Shammai had disputed the opinion of the House of Hillel, the House of Shammai's opinion was now null and void.

Thanks for helping out.--Vidkun (talk) 01:53, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

All Brides are Beautiful

The Hillelite position on the looks of brides led to the Yiddish proverb: "Alles kalles sint shen, alles messim sint frum." "All brides are beautiful; all the dead are pious." Das Baz, aka Erudil 17:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)