Talk:Honeymoon Bridge (Niagara Falls)

Requested move 13 December 2014

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The result of the move request was: No move. No consensus that this is the primary topic of the term. Cúchullain ^t/c 16:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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Honeymoon Bridge (Ontario) → Honeymoon Bridge – International crossing is very much the primary topic, should not have been moved without discussion. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 18:39, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• Support for procedural reasons (to undo an undiscussed move) and on the merits. With only two Honeymoon Bridges on the DAB page, that page can be deleted per WP:TWODABS and a hatnote can direct readers to the other article. —  AjaxSmack  23:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
• Question - how many other Honeymoon Bridges are mentioned in Google Books? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Oppose - the primary topic in Google Books appears to be Honeymoon Bridge (game) In ictu oculi (talk) 02:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

That is a DICDEF that should be merged with the "Variations" paragraph in Contract bridge: Fundamentals and preliminaries. —  AjaxSmack  03:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe it should be a redirect, I don't know. But that doesn't change the fact that Honeymoon Bridge in Google Books Honeymoon Bridge (game) refers to the bridge variation. Even if it didn't there are several bridges. How are we going to accomodate multiple topics? We can't pretend they don't exist. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:55, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Whether it is a redirect or not, it exists, and needs to be considered for disambiguation purposes. —BarrelProof (talk) 07:50, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

For that a hatnote could direct readers to Honeymoon Bridge (disambiguation). I don't believe that a variant of a well known game (which will show up in many card rule books on google books) is more known that an international crossing that has existed for well over a century. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 20:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

1898-1938 is 40 years not "well over a century". I really do not think an 1898-1938 bridge is more notable than all other uses combined, and Google Books has plenty of references to the Jackson bridge and other bridges as well as the game variant. The breakdown in Google Books appears to be about 700 for the game, 600 for the 1898-1938 bridge, 170 for the Jackson bridge, 200 for sundry other subjects. ping User:CookieMonster755 In ictu oculi (talk) 00:32, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Wow. I guess I should read things more closely. I didn't actually realize we were talking about a bridge that hasn't existed for more than 75 years, and seems to have been only one of at least 6 bridges in its approximate location, and seems to have had at least two other names. In fact this bridge seems barely notable, much less a primary topic for its name. The primary name for this bridge, as stated in its article, is Upper Steel Arch Bridge. How about moving it to that name? —BarrelProof (talk) 01:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I didn't realize this either, thought the current bridge also had that name. Moving it to Upper Steel Arch Bridge may be the better solution... However, I still don't believe that Google Books gives any credence to the game or the other bridge. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 19:41, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• Support per AjaxSmack's comment above. Plus, the title "Honeymoon Bridge (Ontario)" is misleading, since the bridge was in Ontario and New York. Magnolia677 (talk) 02:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment Honeymoon Bridge (Ontario-New York) / Honeymoon Bridge (New York-Ontario) should probably exist as redirects -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 10:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support per AjazSmack's comment -CookieMonster755 (talk) 03:11, 14 December 2014 (UTC)CookieMonster755
• Support per Ajax. -- Calidum 03:50, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
• Comment the disambiguation page is missing an article, Honeymoon Bridge (game) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 06:00, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
• NOTE I have requested that Honeymoon Bridge (Jackson) also be renamed, see talk:Honeymoon Bridge (Jackson) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 06:05, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose since there doesn't seem to be an indication that the international physical bridge is primary when considering the game as well as they other physical bridge. —BarrelProof (talk) 07:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose There is more than one Honeymoon bridge the OP has not proven that one is notable over the other other than an opinion. I can say mine that this bridge is older and that it is one of the few examples surviving of it's type. I would also support Ajax's solution if there was not another dab in play here. WP:TWODABS as it implies only covers two dabs, not three. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:28, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. No case for this article as primary topic. How common is it for a bridge that has not existed for many years is going to be the primary topic? Also note that according to the article, the name of the bridge is actually Upper Steel Arch Bridge. So we may be better off just moveing to Upper Steel Arch Bridge. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:06, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
• Comment This bridge article needs help, it currently relies on just one reference (Other is a broken link). To it's credit this bridge did collapse making it notable so there should be sources documenting this. it would also be worth trying to find a source for it being a former World's longest arch bridge. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:24, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

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