Talk:History of the Jews in the Roman Empire

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Needs discussion of 20,000 Jewish slaves brought to Rome after fall of Jerusalem

... and who were used to build the Colosseum. WritingMan (talk) 13:23, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in History of the Jews in the Roman Empire

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of History of the Jews in the Roman Empire's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "ReferenceA":

• From New Testament: Justin Martyr. First Apology. Chapter 67.
• From Sephardic Jews: Kayserling, Meyer. "História dos Judeus em Portugal". Editora Pioneira, São Paulo, 1971
• From Vespasian: Cassius Dio, Roman History, LXV.2
• From Joshua: Bible Numbers 13:16
• From History of antisemitism: Steven Beller (2007) Antisemitism: A Very Short Introduction: 28–29
• From Tiberius: Speidel, Michael Riding for Caesar: The Roman Emperors’ Horse guards 19.
• From Hebrew calendar: Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī (1000). The Chronology of Ancient Nations: An English Version of the Arabic Text of the Athâr-ul-Bâkiya of Albîrûnî, or 'Vestiges of the Past', Collected and Reduced ... by the Author in A. H. 390 - 1, A. D. 1000. Translated by C. Eduard Sachau. London (published 1879). better known as The Remaining Signs of Past Centuries
• From Constantius II: Eutropius, Historiae Romanae Breviarium X.9
• From History of the Jews in Europe: Josephus Flavius, Antiquities, xi.v.2
• From Pharisees: Matthew 3:1–7, Luke 7:28–30
• From History of Africa: Orbit: Earth's Extraordinary Journey documentary
• From Kitos War: Pes. 50a; B. B. 10b; Eccl. R. ix. 10
• From Solomon: "tractate Sanhendrin", Talmud Bavli, p. 21b
• From Scholarly interpretation of Gospel elements: "Jesus Christ." Cross, F. L., ed. The Oxford dictionary of the Christian church. New York: Oxford University Press. 2005
• From List of Indo-European languages: Vignuzzi 1997: 312, 317; Loporcaro & Panciani 2016: 229, 233
• From First Jewish–Roman War: Cohen, Shaye. "Roman Domination: The Jewish Revolt and the Destruction of the Second Temple" in Ancient Israel: From Abraham to the Roman Destruction of the Temple, ed. Hershel Shanks (Prentice Hall, Biblical Archeology Society), 297.
• From Anatolia: Carl Roebuck, The World of Ancient Times
• From Catholic Church and Judaism: Lecture by Dr David Neiman: The Church and the Jews II: Popes Gregory I and Leo III; published by iTunes, 2009
• From History of the Jews in Bosnia and Herzegovina: http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/righteous/stories/besrevic.asp
• From Herod the Great: Regev, "Herod's Jewish Ideology," 211.
• From Constantine the Great: Carrié & Rousselle, L'Empire Romain, 229
• From Jewish ethnic divisions: Jews, Arabs, and Arab Jews: The Politics of Identity and Reproduction in Israel, Ducker, Clare Louise, Institute of Social Studies, The Hague, Netherlands
• From Historical background of the New Testament: Shaye J.D. Cohen 1987 From the Maccabees to the Mishnah Library of Early Christianity, Wayne Meeks, editor. The Westminster Press. 168
• From History of the Jews in Portugal: The New History of Portugal, H.V. Livermore, Cambridge University Press, 1969
• From Religion in ancient Rome: Beard et al., Vol. 1, 1; 189–90 (Aeneas and Vesta): 123–45 (Aeneas and Venus as Julian ancestors). See also Vergil, Aeneid.
• From Yohanan ben Zakkai: Jewish Encyclopedia, Yochanan ben Zakai
• From John the Baptist: Lives of the Prophets, Leila Azzam, John and Zechariah
• From Titus: Josephus, The Wars of the Jews III.1.2
• From Jewish Christian: Paula Fredriksen, From Jesus to Christ
• From Genocides in history (before World War I): Mohammed Hassen, Conquest, Tyranny, and Ethnocide against the Oromo: A Historical Assessment of Human Rights Conditions in Ethiopia, c. 1880s–2002, Northeast African Studies Volume 9, Number 3, 2002 (New Series)
• From Jews: Ostrer, Harry; Skorecki, Karl (February 2013). "The population genetics of the Jewish people". Human Genetics. 132 (2): 119–127. doi:10.1007/s00439-012-1235-6. PMC 3543766. PMID 23052947.
• From Marrano: Henry Kamen: The Spanish Inquisition: A Historical Revision. 1999

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Challenging the statement "Following the Bar Kokhba revolt Jews were reduced to a completely diaspora people."

I apologize if this is not the appropriate way to do this. I didn't want to edit the page directly, as I'm not a seasoned Wikipedia editor by any means, just a casual reader.

This seemed to be a VERY strong statement concerning Jewish life following the Bar Kochba revolt in the second century and I'm not sure if the source used to make such a strong statement is directly on point - for one, it's not a history book, it's a Christian discussion of ethics written as an analysis of modern political conflict. Not an appropriate source to make this claim.

In any event, thought it is well-documented that almost all Jews were expelled from Jerusalem by the Romans following the Bar Kokhba revolt, it is also well-documented that there still remained a strong Jewish presence in the former Kingdoms of Israel and Judea (now named Syria Palaestina following the Bar Kokhba revolt). Romans permitted Jews to move to other centers of Jewish learning in Syria Palaestina and Jewish life and scholarship, though no longer at the level it was prior to the Bar Kochba revolt, eventually flourished again. Almost immediately after the failure of the Bar Kochba revolt, Jewish learning in Yavne flourished and produced the Mishna - the first written work of the "Oral Torah." Additionally, the Galilee region was relatively untouched during the Bar Kochba revolt and continued as a center of learning. The Jerusalem Talmud was written in the 4th and 5th centuries, primarily by Jewish centers of learning in Tiberias and Caesarea. Further, Tiberias is where the ben Asher family and other Masoretes in the 5th and 6th century developed and ultimately set down what has become the dominant form of (or at least the primary influence on) today's cantillation and pronunciation of the Tanakh.

It's also a bit misleading to couch the development of the Mishnah and Talmud as diasporic when the Mishnah was written in Syria Palaestina and the first Talmud (i.e., the Jerusalem Talmud) was primarily written in Syria Paleastina - not in "diaspora."

Point is, I'm not a scholar by any means on this subject and can point to several examples that show this statement to be clearly false on its face. 2603:8000:D500:24AA:C9C2:32CE:C30A:FFA3 (talk) 19:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Suas informações são fábulas, historinhas judaicas. 45.228.98.44 (talk) 15:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I've changed to "mainly" - I haven't seen the ref, but it doesn't look like a specialist work at all. Johnbod (talk) 02:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, good change, and I believe the first anon is correct. Andre🚐 02:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)