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The Vietnamese won in their initial war against Champa in 982, enslaving a massive number of captives, the Cham King was murdered, temples were obliterated by the Vietnamese soldiers under Le Dai Hanh. The area of modern Quang Binh (Dia Ly Chau) was seizeed from the Chams by the Ly dynasty. Palace workers and 5,000 slaves were taken as prisoners by Dai Viet and 30,000 Cham troops along with King Sa Dau of Champa were murdered during the Dai Viet aggression by Ly Thai Tong in 1044.^[1]

A retaliatory war was being formulated. China received submission from Champa before Champa prepared for reprisals against the Vietnamese. Intelligence leaks led to Dai Viet catching wind of this information so Ly Thanh Tong attacked Champa in 1069.^[2] 50,000 Cham troops and Che Cu, the King of Champa were taken prisoner while the Vietnamese massacred Cham soldiers along with their leading officer Bobidala.^[3]

Song dynasty China received large amounts of tribute and an offer of submission to become an internal administrative unit 內附 (neifu) of China from Champa. China helped Champa get back Cham prisoners whom the Vietnamese included as part of tribute to China after capturing them in war.^[4]

Some of the court dancers and singers were taken prisoner and temples were destroyed when Indrapura, the Cham capital, was attacked by the Vietnamese army under Le Dai Hanh.^[5]

Five thousand Chams, 30 elephants, and Mị Ê, a Cham Princess, were taken from Phật Thệ, the Cham capital, by Ly Thai Tong in 1044. Ma Linh, Địa Lý, and Bố Chinh were ceded by Rudravarman III (Chế Củ) to Dai Viet after he was take prisoner when Đồ Bàn in Thi Nại was taken by Ly Thanh Tong.^[6]

Emperor Hongwu's warnings to southeast asian countries to not fight against each other.

http://www.lasalle.edu/~mcinneshin/356/wk01/mingshilu.htm

China under the Yongle Emperor aids the Cham in the 1400-1407 Cham Vietnamese War.

Yongle planned war against Annam after both China and Champa were attacked by Annam.^[7]

In 1450 china slams vietnamese attacks in champa and enslavement of cham people

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/229

Chinese Ministry of war slams vietnamese invasion of champa as motivated by greed

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1559

Champa submits memorial to china about the vietnamese invasion, chinese minister of war speaks on vietnamee aggression and demands they restore champa

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1702 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1704 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1707 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1709

1474 ch'en chun (chen jun) went to champa to collect tribute and went to melaka instead due to vietnamese occupation of champa

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1981 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2080

China slams vietnamese occupation of champa

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2084

China slams vietnam's "evil plans" in champa and yunnan

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2295

Vietnamese king tries to justify occupation of champa to china in a memorial

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2377

China slams vietnamese king again for his aggression, citing champa as an example of the past

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2649

China slams vietnam's occupation of champa again and demands they free champa

http://www.epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2660

Chinese enfeoffment of mahmud shah of malacca, son of sultan mansur shah

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2653

Malacca entanglement

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2657

http://books.google.com/books?id=fj8l8v_yP5oC&pg=PA112#v=onepage&q&f=false

Same as above

http://books.google.com/books?id=DsKHatuSfUQC&pg=PA212#v=onepage&q&f=false

China mentions vietnamese murders of malaccan envoys while criticizing vietnam

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2659

http://books.google.com/books?id=TgkYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA252#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=utZMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA252#v=onepage&q&f=false

China demands vietnam give up champa

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2660

Chinese report on vietnamese occupation of champa

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2663

China vietnam border incidents

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2447 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2716 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/711 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2356 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/1698 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2240 http://www.epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/861

Champa annam wars

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2181 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2182 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2183 http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2184

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2186

http://epress.nus.edu.sg/msl/entry/2190

Vietnamese used chinese military technology (gunpowder weapons) in Champa while Champa lacked gunpowder weapons

http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA101#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.ari.nus.edu.sg/docs/wps/wps03_011.pdf

http://www.vjol.info/index.php/VSS/article/viewFile/22955/19603

Song dynasty China supplied Champa with arms against Vietnam.^[8]

https://books.google.com./books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA109#v=onepage&q&f=false

The trade in Vietnamese ceramics was damaged due to the plummet in trade by Cham merchants after the invasion.^[9]

The Chinese scholar 吳樸 Wu Pu recommended that to help stop the Vietnamese, China should help resuscitate the Champa Kingdom.^[10]

w:vi:Chiến tranh Đại Việt - Lan Xang (1478-1480)

w:vi:Chiến tranh Đại Việt-Chiêm Thành (1471)

Rajmaan (talk) 16:53, 3 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

References

^ Nguyen Thu (1 May 2009). Dai-viet Kingdom of the South. Trafford Publishing. pp. 6–. ISBN 978-1-4251-8645-6.
^ Nguyen Thu (1 May 2009). Dai-viet Kingdom of the South. Trafford Publishing. pp. 7–. ISBN 978-1-4251-8645-6.
^ Nguyen Thu (1 May 2009). Dai-viet Kingdom of the South. Trafford Publishing. pp. 8–. ISBN 978-1-4251-8645-6.
^ Brantly Womack (13 February 2006). China and Vietnam: The Politics of Asymmetry. Cambridge University Press. pp. 113–. ISBN 978-0-521-61834-2.
^ Andrew David Hardy; Mauro Cucarzi; Patrizia Zolese (2009). Champa and the Archaeology of Mỹ Sơn (Vietnam). NUS Press. pp. 64–65. ISBN 978-9971-69-451-7.
^ Andrew David Hardy; Mauro Cucarzi; Patrizia Zolese (2009). Champa and the Archaeology of Mỹ Sơn (Vietnam). NUS Press. pp. 65–. ISBN 978-9971-69-451-7.
^ Frederick W. Mote; Denis Twitchett (26 February 1988). The Cambridge History of China: Volume 7, The Ming Dynasty, 1368-1644. Cambridge University Press. pp. 230–. ISBN 978-0-521-24332-2.
^ Ben Kiernan (2008). Blood and Soil: Modern Genocide 1500-2000. Melbourne Univ. Publishing. pp. 102–. ISBN 978-0-522-85477-0.
^ Angela Schottenhammer; Roderich Ptak (2006). The Perception of Maritime Space in Traditional Chinese Sources. Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. pp. 138–. ISBN 978-3-447-05340-2.
^ http://www.eacrh.net/ojs/index.php/crossroads/article/view/43/Vol8_Yamazaki_html

Cham Jihad against Vietnam

Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Katip Suma's Jihad against Emperor Minh Mang's invasion of Champa in 1832-1835

http://www.chamtoday.com/index.php/history-l-ch-s/78-the-uprisings-of-katip-sumat-and-ja-thak-wa-1833-1835

http://www.chamtoday.com/index.php/history-l-ch-s/83-the-uprising-of-jathak-wa-1834-1835

http://books.google.com/books?id=3oMqrqSp1W4C&pg=PA25#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://chamunesco.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=110:the-raja-praong-ritual-a-memory-of-the-sea-in-cham-malay-relations&catid=45:van-hoa&Itemid=120

Meanwhile, lack document to record the yourneys of Malay came to Champa by sea. Execpt, the yourney of Tuen Phaow from Kelantan come to Champa by sea to lead a Jihad movement to expel theVietnamese army from the land of Champa

http://voa-islam.com//news/world-world/2009/07/01/96/history-of-islam-in-vietnam/;

http://voa-islam.com/news/world-world/2009/07/01/96/history-of-islam-in-vietnam/;

http://m.voa-islam.com/news/world-world/2009/07/01/96/history-of-islam-in-vietnam/;

http://www.angelfire.com/vt/vietnamesemuslims/hstry.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=Zw0j_5OauH8C&pg=PT180#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.chamtoday.com/index.php/news-tin-t-c/world-th-gi-i/120-the-champa-history-book-debut-and-a-seminar-on-the-indiginous-people-of-champa

http://kyotoreview.cseas.kyoto-u.ac.jp/issue/issue4/article_353.html

http://kyotoreview.org/issue-5/vietnam-champa-relations-and-the-malay-islam-regional-network-in-the-17th-19th-centuries/

Rajmaan (talk) 16:53, 3 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

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[Thu2009-1] Nguyen Thu (1 May 2009). Dai-viet Kingdom of the South. Trafford Publishing. pp. 6–. ISBN 978-1-4251-8645-6.

[Thu2009_2-2] Nguyen Thu (1 May 2009). Dai-viet Kingdom of the South. Trafford Publishing. pp. 7–. ISBN 978-1-4251-8645-6.

[Thu2009_3-3] Nguyen Thu (1 May 2009). Dai-viet Kingdom of the South. Trafford Publishing. pp. 8–. ISBN 978-1-4251-8645-6.

[Womack2006-4] Brantly Womack (13 February 2006). China and Vietnam: The Politics of Asymmetry. Cambridge University Press. pp. 113–. ISBN 978-0-521-61834-2.

[HardyCucarzi2009_2-5] Andrew David Hardy; Mauro Cucarzi; Patrizia Zolese (2009). Champa and the Archaeology of Mỹ Sơn (Vietnam). NUS Press. pp. 64–65. ISBN 978-9971-69-451-7.

[HardyCucarzi2009-6] Andrew David Hardy; Mauro Cucarzi; Patrizia Zolese (2009). Champa and the Archaeology of Mỹ Sơn (Vietnam). NUS Press. pp. 65–. ISBN 978-9971-69-451-7.

[MoteTwitchett1988-7] Frederick W. Mote; Denis Twitchett (26 February 1988). The Cambridge History of China: Volume 7, The Ming Dynasty, 1368-1644. Cambridge University Press. pp. 230–. ISBN 978-0-521-24332-2.

[Kiernan2008-8] Ben Kiernan (2008). Blood and Soil: Modern Genocide 1500-2000. Melbourne Univ. Publishing. pp. 102–. ISBN 978-0-522-85477-0.

[SchottenhammerPtak2006-9] Angela Schottenhammer; Roderich Ptak (2006). The Perception of Maritime Space in Traditional Chinese Sources. Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. pp. 138–. ISBN 978-3-447-05340-2.

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