Talk:History of Utah

Article Creation and Organization

I found it hard to believe there was no distinct History of Utah article, given the length and coverage of the Utah article. I copied all history material from that article as a start. There are many big and little articles on Utah historical subjects on Wiki? How should we organize this material? There is a brief outline on Wikipedia:WikiProject Utah/History of Utah.

Here is a suggestion from the To Create section on the Utah project page:

• History of Utah
• History of Utah (to 1847)
• History of Utah (1847 to 1896)
• History of Utah (1897 to 1947)
• History of Utah (from 1948)

What about the date breakouts? To broad or narrow? And do we need a later article dealing with more "modern" times?

Other ideas on how to organize? WBardwin 06:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

We could also create a History of mining in Utah article, if that is too big to be included here. --Lethargy 08:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Article sources

I'd like to collect a list of sources we can harvest to expand/cite this article. Add any useful books or websites you come across which provide info on the history of Utah. --Lethargy 18:50, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• Utah History Encyclopedia
• The Great Salt Lake by Dale L. Morgan (ISBN 0-87480-478-7) - More useful than it might sound, it covers much of the history of Utah (e.g. the Dominguez-Escalante Expedition), not just the Great Salt Lake.

Occupation of the Salt Lake Valley

It may well be that there were no Shoshone camped at the first spot chosen by Mormon settlers as asserted in this unsourced edit by Rockford1963 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) but the cited source (Page 6, Madsen) describes the Salt Lake Valley as within the territory of the Northwestern Shoshone. Fred Talk 03:16, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

There is a source cited now = no permanent setllement of Indians in SL valley upon arrival of Mormon pioneers.Rockford1963 (talk) 07:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

However no aboriginal title by the Northwestern Shoshone was ever recognized by the United States or extinguished by treaty with the United States.NORTHWESTERN BANDS OF SHOSHONE INDIANS v. UNITED STATES. United States Supreme Court, April 9, 1945 89 L.Ed. 985; 65 S.Ct. 690; 324 U.S. 335 Fred Talk 04:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Photos of Pioneers

I noticed that most of the photos in this article are of nature, rock carvings, maps etc. I think a reader would think to find at least one covered wagon depcited or a picture of the beehive house or something like thisRockford1963 (talk) 18:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Bias

This entire articles needs to conform to wikipedia's standards. Not only are individual facts not cited, but their is a strong LDS bias. I will be deleting large parts of the page if things are not cited, and the bias not removed in a fortnight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.108.232.33 (talk) 00:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Utah's history was strongly influenced by the LDS Church; that's just a fact, regardless of how it's spun. Excising most/all references to Mormonism from an article about Utah history would be like doing the same thing for Catholicism on an article of the history of Rome/Italy. If you want to fix bias, mass deletion is not the correct solution. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I also believe that major work needs to be done. I am reassessing it as C-class (I had considered Start-class, but parts are well-developed), at least for WikiProject Utah. Mormonism has indeed been an important part of the history, and the amount of focus that it receives should not be changed. However, some sections (e.g. "Polygamy") have bias. The facts may be true, but they are presented in a pro-Morman, anti-federal light. Almost nothing is said about the 20th Century, and there are very few citations in the article. Ardric47 (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Bias Cured?

Curious approach to neutralizing bias. I'm not an expert on slavery, woman suffrage, and the Native American's plight but is mormon really the root of 100% of the world's evil? Couldn't a compromise of 99.5% evil be possible? Maybe even 99.7%? Purely for the sake of keeping Wikipedia "in my own vain personal opinion of what is and is not" nonbiased? At the very least please expound further on how letting women vote was an inherently evil ploy. I might be missing a few cobbles because I thought that was a good thing. But don't lose faith. they'll get that Brigham Young, and his little dog too! 67.182.220.227 (talk) 06:09, 3 June 2023 (UTC)