Talk:History of Jersey

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"The event which has had the most far reaching effect on us today is the growth of the finance industry in the island from the 1960s onwards."

Articles shouldn't be in the first person, I think?

Amended, needs no discussion Dainamo 20:33, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Timelines history of British isles

I've created a timeline template of the History of the British Isles. My plan is to put it into that article, like the timelines of Irish State in the Irish states since 1171 article. I'm sure there plenty of mistakes, although I've deliberately left out some states/people for simplicity's sake. The "events" I've added are also obviously "Hiberno-centric", so would like the imput of other's to settle what other events should to be added. General comments are also welcome. Since the table is fairly complicated, if people want leave suggestions for events and things they would like changed on the templates talk page, I'll add them. --sony-youth^pléigh 23:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Self government from 1204?

This seems to be a bit of a misnomer as no one really knows, Jersey was administered by a warden (now Lt. Governor) and a Bailiff both of whom were appointed by the King of England.

Also whilst Jersey is moving towards independence, this process is still ongoing and we remain a Crown dependency.

I think the historical viewpoint is probably that of the separation of 1204, so that since then Jersey has been governed independently of mainland Normandy whether by appointees of the English/British Crown or by Jurats, as per the so-called Constitutions of King John, and their successors. Again, I think the self-government should probably be read as referring to the foundation of insular institutions replacing the Duchy-wide administrative apparatus prior to "1204". The difficulty, of course, is using words like independence and self-government which are ahistorical in a feudal context, but may be helpful within the constraints of an encyclopaedia to express the results in the modern age (i.e. celebrating "800 years of independence" in 2004!) Man vyi 17:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

In fact, a better case for self-government can be made from the time of Elizabeth I, when the Civil and Religious authorities had considerable automony, restructured the Church with Consistory Courts (with considerable legal powers), and the Civil Authorities were able act automonously and embark on a programme of witch hunting and burning unknown in England until the breakdown of law in the Civil War, and the collapse of judicial hierachy there. The restoration of the Anglican church system under Sir John Peyton marked a considerable loss of autonomy.

--TonyinJersey 07:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

news moved from talk

Moving breaking news here for the moment:

==21th century==
Police excevated several sites in the grounds of a former children's home on the island on February 27 2008 as more allegations emerge of child abuse spanning several decades.

It's still current affairs not yet history and is being covered in more depth at Haut de la Garenne. Man vyi (talk) 11:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

References

What?

I have a problem with this phrase from the first sentence in the second section: "It has been an island for approximately 8,000 years" I'm sure this isn't what the original author intended. I'm sure it's been an island for much longer than that. Can anyone shed some light on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GregCovey (talk • contribs) 06:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, about 8,000 years ago rising sea levels severed the land bridge making Jersey an island. fr: is clearer. Some more context about the Palaeolithic period when Jersey would have appeared as a rocky outcrop with cliffs overlooking a plain would help to explain the activities of the hunters at that period. Man vyi (talk) 07:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that 2012 in Jersey be merged into History of Jersey. I think that the content in the 2012 in Jersey article can easily be explained in the context of History of Jersey, and the History of Jersey article is of a reasonable size that the merging of 2012 in Jersey will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Oddbodz (talk) 23:28, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Your proposal doesn't follow the established structure for such articles. What is the reason for your proposal? Danrok (talk) 23:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

What you are proposing is merging what is essentially current events in to an article about the history of Jersey. These two thing are not the same, and should not be mixed up. Danrok (talk) 00:26, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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Death of St Helier - 8th century Normans or 6th century

Hello. This article has the death of St Helier given in the section on Normans, with a citation to the book Caesaria (but no page). Any other source I've seen including Helier's wikipedia article, and anything I've found on the Acta Sactorum put his death by raiders around 555 AD, which is much earlier than the Norman raids. Is there a competing narrative I'm not aware of, or is this an error that should be corrected? Joe byrne (talk) 12:07, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Jersey privateers

Shouldn't the historical fact of privateers operating out of Jersey, and plundering ships in the English channel, be mentioned (if only briefly) in this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 09:18, 7 July 2021 (UTC)