Talk:Henrietta Müller

Chilean nationality

Müller was born in Chile and was a Chilean national. The 1833 Constitution states that Chileans are "[...]those born in the territory of Chile [...]". This was changed in 1925, with the new Constitution, many years after Müller died, reading by then: "5th article. Chileans are: 1.° those born in the territory of Chile, with exception of the children of foreigners residing in Chile in service of their government, and the children of foreigners in transit, all of which may choose between their parents' and the Chilean nationality [...]" [1]. It is incorrect to remove the categories related to the Chilean nationality, because she was a Chilean national, despite having lived later in her life outside of that country. Bedivere (talk) 23:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse: Henrietta Müller is she a Chilean suffragist, Chilean expatriate in England, Chilean editor, Chilean women journalist, Chilean people of German descent ???

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Hello, I strongly disagree over categories re-added by @Bedivere on Henrietta Müller. Henrietta Müller was born in Valparaiso in an English-German Family of expats. The family settled back in England and she went to college at Girton, then spent her entire life in England as did her family. There is no evidence that as an adult, she kept any links of any sort with Chile, no references, no sources, etc. I consider that she cannot be "categorized" as, I quote, "Chilean suffragist, Chilean expatriate in England, Chilean editor, Chilean women journalist, Chilean people of German descent". Any opinions ? (English is not my native language) Best regards, Pierrette13 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I think this talk should be continued where it is due: at the article's talk page. Having said that, we have no certainty and no possible answer to your consideration ("There is no evidence that as an adult, she kept any links of any sort with Chile, no references, no sources, etc."). I just pointed out a fact: the Constitution of 1833 considers her a Chilean (born in Chile, jus soli applies), and it is unlikely she ever renounced to it. Bedivere (talk) 05:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

"One of these was Miss F. Henrietta Muller, a Chilean-British woman's rights activist and theosophist, then living in London.", "Clara Colby: The International Suffragist"

Guru to the World: The Life and Legacy of Vivekananda, by Ruth Harris: "Henrietta Müller - of Chilean German origin, but active in London [...]"

Bikes and Bloomers: Victorian Women Inventors and their Extraordinary Cycle Wear, "The Müller family left Chile when Henrietta was nine, and travelled to Boston, and then onto London, where they lived for two years. They moved back to Chile briefly before returning to London where they then stayed".

That's some great sources proving both she was a Chilean and that she lived considerable time in that country (more than a decade for sure - nine years then some brief stay of two years). Bedivere (talk) 05:52, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Pierrette13. This is a matter that should be discussed at Talk:Henrietta Müller and I do not think that it is likely that you will find a Teahouse host willing to express a strong opinion about this. I am curious, though, why you so strongly disagree about this relatively innocuous categorization of a woman born in Chile who died in 1906? Why are you so passionate about the categorization of a woman who died 116 years ago? Cullen328 (talk) 06:06, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello Cullen328 Thank you for your answer, I translate pages from WP:en to WP:fr and especially suffragists, University women pages, etc. In my opinion, a Chilean Suffragist is a suffragist in Chile, not a suffragist in England there is no relevance with this category. I translated Henriette Muller, her sister Eva McLaren. I'm not too familiar with English WP help and so I thought I could find some help over here (I used Tea House once before), I 'll go somewhere else for relevant opinions ("she lived some times from 0 to 10 in Chile" doesn't have any sense for a statement abour "Chilean Suffragist" or "Chilean expat in England"! Best regards, --Pierrette13 (talk) 07:49, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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Henrietta Müller is she a Chilean suffragist, Chilean expatriate in England, Chilean editor, Chilean women journalist, Chilean people of German descent ???

Hello, I strongly disagree over categories re-added by @Bedivere on Henrietta Müller. Henrietta Müller was born in Valparaiso in an English-German Family of expats. The family settled back in England and she went to college at Girton, then spent her entire life in England as did her family. There is no evidence that as an adult, she kept any links of any sort with Chile, no references, no sources, etc. I consider that she cannot be "categorized" as, I quote, "Chilean suffragist, Chilean expatriate in England, Chilean editor, Chilean women journalist, Chilean people of German descent". Any opinions ? (English is not my native language) Best regards, Pierrette13 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I asked this question in Tea House Wikipedia:Teahouse#Henrietta Müller is she a Chilean suffragist, Chilean expatriate in England, Chilean editor, Chilean women journalist, Chilean people of German descent ??? but was answered that it was not the proper page for this question. I try here (I'm not too familiar with help pages in WP:EN (I mainly contribute on WP:FR), thank you for your attention, best regards, Pierrette13 (talk) 07:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Noting that I have no previous knowledge of this subject, my opinion is that most or all of those categories are appropriate for the article, since she was born and at least partially raised in Chile. They are not designed to strictly define Müller (since they are in the context of a much longer set of categories), but to aid Wikipedia users who may be exploring those topics and would want to be aware of her.

The proper page to discuss this question is the Talk page of the article, where Bedivere (with whom you disagree) has already posted their reasons for adding/restoring (some of) them. The established procedure here is the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Bedivere, in good faith, boldly added some of the categories, you disagreed with them and reverted the additions, now you should civilly discuss the matter on the Talk page (where others may care to join in) until you reach a mutually agreed compromise. You might want to read through Wikipedia:Categorization first. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.169.177 (talk) 12:32, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, as a matter of fact, I want other advices, but I don't think many contributors follow this discussion page. According to me, it's irrelevant to state that Henrietta Müller could be a "Chilean expatriate in England", I don't want to make a fuss of it nor spend the day on it, if everybody here is confortable with making Henrietta Müller a Chilean journalist or Chilean suffragist, etc. let it be so, best regards, --Pierrette13 (talk) 13:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)