Talk:Hasaan Ibn Ali

Birth name

Non-primary sources give his surname as Langford. Details of primary sources indicating that it may have been Lankford are given on User talk:HomageToDonByas.

GA Review

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Reviewer: Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs) 16:43, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

At initial glance this doesn't look resourceful enough for GA but I do see he only made one recording. I understand. But you would expect to see more about his music. Surely he must have regularly performed in certain clubs and venues? I'd expect to see more on what clubs he frequented, "The pianist played with Horace Arnold in New York City in 1959,[5] and again in 1961–62, this time in a trio with Henry Grimes.[3] According to Roach, on visits to New York, Ibn Ali went from club to club to play, and sometimes went to the drummer's home in the middle of the night to continue playing, alone, on the piano there.[6]" -some examples at least of where he performed would be good.

The lede says " Ibn Ali built a reputation in Philadelphia, where he influenced musicians including John Coltrane," for instance, but the body says nothing about his time in Philadelphia except "did freelance work and built a reputation locally as "an original composer and theorist"," nothing about what clubs and who he interacted/performed with there.

I agree that it looks slight, but there is very little available on him, and the article is the summary of what there is, sadly. No dod (I think that Grove is the only place that gives even a year) and no agreement on his name, even (see the talk page). Grove, Feather & Gitler don't give club details and I've been through newspapers.com and Proquest. We've even been through FamilySearch and records of when someone said his house burned down to try to find more, but I think it'll take someone on the ground to find more. He's "Legendary" for a reason! EddieHugh (talk) 17:23, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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OK, explanation is acceptable. It's a weak pass. It would be great though if anybody in Philadelphia could actually find something locally documenting to further add to this though!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:00, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough. It could make an article in Down Beat one day. I'll pass the news on to someone else involved and see what he says. Thanks again. EddieHugh (talk) 20:39, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Changin name to muslim syntax

Helo. Do you knoe something about why and when he was changing is name or also his identity to muslim style? Greatings --178.197.230.144 (talk) 13:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

There's not much more readily available information about him than is here. At least there wasn't when the article was improved a few years ago; I haven't looked since then. There's a summary of some newspaper sources here, which suggests that he used a version of his Muslim name as early as 1949. Musicians often used or were referred to by either name for a long period, so it's difficult to be sure about when the change first happened. I also don't know if he changed his name officially or unofficially, or why he changed it. Maybe one day someone will find and publish more information about him. EddieHugh (talk) 11:34, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

New information

Does this AllMusic review of Metaphysics: The Lost Atlantic Album, throw any further light on the subject ? Or indeed do the liner notes to the album, which AllMusic describe as "an obsessively detailed liner essay by (Alan) Sukoenig with abundant quotes from (Odean) Pope" ? Not my thing at all, but others might like to explore. Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

The Grove Jazz dictionary is wrong.

The fire at his parent's house happened in 1972 (liner notes to Metaphysics) (April 19, 1974, p. 14, Philadelphia Daily News "Resident of 2400 N. Gratz Street looks at debris left by a fire at 2406 N. Gratz Street. Neighbors claim the fire was two years ago and city officials have not heeded many requests to have the mess cleaned up.") Astonishingly, neither the Inquirer or the Daily News have coverage of the fire, which was barely a mile from the Temple campus and killed two people. I'll check the Bulletin the next time I make a run to a library that has it on microfilm. The liner notes state that he had a stroke shortly afterwards and was confined to a nursing home. No other sources, and there was no death announcement (I guess his parents were his only surviving relatives). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lionelag (talk • contribs) 17:04, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I think you mean the Jazz Inside source, quoting Pope, not Grove. I have also looked, in vain, for more information on the fire. EddieHugh (talk) 17:43, 2 June 2021 (UTC)