Talk:Hardbass

Non-notable artists

Please stop placing minor artists and songs. I've recently cleaned up the Notable artists section and found that many of those listed had under 100 followers on Soundcloud, as well as well under 10,000 youtube subscribers. Those are just personal thresholds, but Wikipedia:Notability (people) must be followed here in order to keep this article polished and relevant. Thank you and Cheeki Breeki! Double Plus Ungood (talk) 01:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

well, starslav has worked with Uamee before. I'd also like to apologize for screwing up the page. im new so i dont understand how most things work. Gopsquat (talk) 06:47, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

@Double Plus Ungood: I understand your frustration of keeping articles updated and relevant. However, Gopsquat is a newer Wikipedian, and they are trying to figure out how to edit on Wikipedia (as we all have at one point). Perhaps you could talk with them about what they intended to add? --JustBerry (talk) 15:08, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

It really is nothing haha. @Gopsquat: I'll be sending you some links to some advice on editing. It's already pretty cool that you want to engage in this community ;) Keep it up! Double Plus Ungood (talk) 15:22, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

@Gopsquat: @Double Plus Ungood: Even though starslav may have worked with uamee, are they a notable artist? Also, the article seems to be lacking in sources in the notable artists and notable songs and albums sections. Perhaps we could clean that up, Double Plus Ungood? --JustBerry (talk) 15:27, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

This is a good discussion that we need to start having on this page. I will come back to you on that one; right now, I've been focusing on Soundcloud followers and YT views/subs in order to establish notability. In the meantime, I invite anyone interested to read WP's guidelines and engage in this talk. Double Plus Ungood (talk) 15:31, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

there are plenty people listed here that I've never heard of, and I'm a hardbass coniseur Gopsquat (talk) 02:52, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

MOST KNOWN ARTISTS

In the vast music genre of the hard bass there are hundreds of artists, from the best known to the least known. In this musical field the following singers / producers have made greater success: -Dj Blyatman (with his most famous song GOPNIK) -Uamee -Hard Bass School) -Starslav -Russian Village Boys -Dj Rentgen -XS Project -Mr.Polska and sometimes our dear Boris enters the scene. As far as I am originally from Italy, I do not understand much of this musical genre, but I can only say that it is VERY vast, so behind it there are origins and cultures to be discovered and deepened (Br3nty 28/03/2020) Br3nty yt (talk) 14:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

XD Project

I've removed the description of XD Project being "catholic" hardbass. The song titles and content are meant as an obvious reference to polish meme/chan culture (which includes for example slander of- and multiple references to- pope John Paul II) and are not meant to be "catholic hardbass". 37.190.151.17 (talk) 16:30, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

The above comment was written by me. Dithpri (talk) 20:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Anyone thinking XD Project is catholic need only look at the song titles of their album to realize that is incorrect. Any of the titles really, but most obvious are #13 JP2GMD and #5 Papiesz Jebau. If still not convinced, the lyrics of track 5 are a repeated single sentence about the pope being a pedophile. I see nothing to support the claim this is "catholic hardbass". Dithpri (talk) 20:25, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

But then you have:

• "Barka" - song about Papal conclave, 1978 (October)
• "Inba w Watykanie" - Pope's 1999 trip in Poland
• "Czuwam" - Pope tripping in Częstochowa, 1983
• "Arena Wadowice" - Pope talks about fear of God and shares his memories of being a wrestler
• "Dawaj Papaj" - about his humble beginnings as a Roman Pontiff and love of children
• "Domówka u Karola" - Pope reading a bible in Sandomierz, 2002
• "Charizmatik Mołment" - Pope walking on creampies and being a part of Charismatic Movement

where Pope John Paul II is not mocked at all. In fact he'd love those songs if he wasn't dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.193.202.125 (talk) 16:00, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

The article is factually wrong

Hardbass was originally the temporary term for what came to be hardstyle, and a minor subgenre to early hardstyle, that later developed, it was used already in the late 90s, early 2000s to describe the transition and distinguishment from Hardhouse & Hardtrance into Hardstyle.

This track from 2001/2002 - "Da Tekno Warriors - The Sound of Hardbass" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0xo2G3fWYo is clearly the sound of early hardstyle, and not related to the sound of donk, which is listed in the article, and neither are the Hardbass series "https://www.discogs.com/label/42214-Hardbass" going from 2003. Another example is this "https://www.discogs.com/Various-Hard-Bass-Techno/release/311451" from 1999, which is clearly Hardstyle too.

It's factually wrong to coin the term Hardbass for the style of "Russian Hardbass", when it's actually merely a subgenre of UK donk/scouse house, and is nothing like the original Hardbass sound, which in turn have been completely left out of the article. It was the memes which associated this sound/style with "Russian Hard Bass", and not before the late 2010s, while Hardbass had been a term within the hardstyle movement since the late 90s. The hardbass term was never associated with Russians, Gopniks or anything in relation to that before the mid-late 2010s, as is also witnessed by the wikipedia edits, not taking off before 2016-2017, whereas the earliest in 2005 it was a sublink to Hardstyle.

Hardbass should be updated to reflect the factual history, and "Russian Hardbass" should be moved to a subsection of the UK Donk/Scouse house article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.71.142.175 (talk) 17:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

It may be factually wrong but it makes more sense as Hardbass comes from multiple countries and "Russian, Polish, Latvian, Etc Donk/scouse house" sounds less satisfying and changing the name after all these years would be hard to adjust to. PugoverlordOG (talk) 22:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

1st hardbass song

What is the 1st hardbass song?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuka12345 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

The transition between what Klubbheads did and "Hardbass" is kinda vague

There are some tracks:

2002 DJ DBC - Your Mind (Klubb Mix)

2003 IvanJazz & Rober Sin T Feat. DJ DBC - Raizer (Klubb Mix)

2003 Dj Snat - Zhirik

2003 Sonic Mine - E2

but you also got tracks like Maxi "Paul - Tic Tuc Tac" which released in 2000 in spain, the question of the first Hardbass track is related to the question at which point Hard House with Donks becomes Hardbass. FSbiran (talk) 09:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

The first useage of the term in association with pumping music was "Dj DBC - Repeat (Klubb Hardbass Mix)" 89.1.30.202 (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

most Hardbass fans have been asking and still searching for that answer as well as I am

I think there might be a few people who used to old Hardbass songs when it was not popular

But people say Hardbass artists like "Uamee", "Hardbass School" invented Hardbass

I'm not sure though I might be wrong I might be right but who knows CallMeKris (talk) 12:41, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

(sorry for the grammatical errors) CallMeKris (talk) 13:04, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Poorly written article

I have translated bulk of information from polish wikipedia's Hardbass article (as it was requested), and thus added "Brief history" section. However, this article is still exceptionally poor. Issues:

1. A hodgepodge of "artists" in the genre without any actual sources backing up their notability.

2. Polish wikipedia, although the translation from it was requested, exclusively relied on Youtube videos, including Youtube videos of primary videos under discussion as references. This is non-encyclopedic approach, I have translated it as it is showing in Polish wikipedia, however, their article is a low bar.

3. Last, but of utmost importance, this article never deals with actual history of pumping house in Russia. No mentions of beginnings in Saint Petersburg, no mentions of infamous MEDNOE OZERO raves, DJ 8088, other pump DJs from Russia. All the article mentions is mere memes of "Slav-gopnik" stereotypes and "slavaboo" teenage culture. Poor article DJ Alla Dean (talk) 21:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Put this one on lock

User:Binksternet, put this article on lock. Someone is persistently adding the unsourced list of his favorite hardbass artists to the article. It's been around 2 to 4 times someone tried to do this during the May - June alone. 178.121.34.225 (talk) 03:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I will ask for page protection if the problem gets worse. Binksternet (talk) 16:43, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Why is there an entire paragraph about the "far right?"

Are people really that paranoid about this boogeyman that they are willing to blame it on everyone and everything? I think it's ridiculous and needs to be taken out. It adds nothing to discussing the genre of hard bass and strikes as adding unwarranted, unneeded and uninvited injection of American based politics into this music genre 74.205.137.219 (talk) 05:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Is Alan Aztec a notable artist?

I have noticed a notable artist on youtube named Alan Aztec, he produces many songs and is one of the most popular. He is almost bigger than Uamee (or maybe he has more subs idk). However, I will be editing this page to add alan aztec since I haven't noticed any discussion about it. 50.230.48.22 (talk) 15:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)