Talk:Haim Arlosoroff

Dreadfully amateurish

The phrase 'Though Arlosoroff was not observant, both his precociousness and his strong feelings as a Jew can be seen ...' - the author seems totally unaware that Jews are a NATION. You can be an atheist and a proud Jew.

Clunky English

Can someone PLEASE fix the dreadfully clunky English, probably written by a non-native? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.94.86 (talk) 14:48, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Still as bad as ever in 2023.

Attempt to use improper source

User Shuki is trying to insert an improper source - a book which has no recognizable authority according to wikipedia:RS "Academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources when available. However, some scholarly material may be outdated, superseded by more recent research, in competition with alternate theories, or controversial within the relevant field. Reliable non-academic sources may also be used, particularly material from reputable mainstream publications." In addition the issue of the version the defence suggested at the trial is already mentioned. Mashkin (talk) 23:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

The source is reliable and was the only thing in the entire article that even had a source. Devora Publishing is a real publishing house that publishes books having to do with Judaism or Israeli history. User Mashkin is being much to liberal in his attempt to remove material that he does not like from Wikipedia. The book was published in 2003 and based on memoirs of people involved in the historical narrative that is being presented. In the foreword the author outlines his sources: "most of the tales in this book have been drawn from interviews with the 'soldiers without uniforms ... supplemented by [memoirs with titles such as Days Red With Blood, Four Paces From Death, and The Conquest of Acre Fortress, which can be easily found on the bookshelves in Israel along with the English memoirs of Menachem Begin, Itzhak Gurion, Gerald Frank, Samuel Katz and J. Bowyer Bell.] Mashkin, I have met the burden of proof in regards to my source - just because you don't like what it says does not mean that you have the right to disregard a published book based on real history. The government of Israel for the first 30+ years was dominated by the Labor Zionists, and the right-wing, those who made up the Irgun and the Lehi were marginalized. No "official" history was written on their account and the most prolific surviving history we have is through their memoirs. The Labor Zionists had a political agenda to marginalize the achievements of their political rivals - that is why much of the early history of the right-wing Zionist underground is made up of first-hand account from those involved. In regards to Wikipedia's take on "authoritative" or allowable sources, as you wrote "non-academic sources may also be used, particularly material from reputable mainstream publications." This source meets that sentence completely, and because it is based on further sources, the memoirs of those involved, it is itself reputable. If you want to go on a deleting tirade, delete everything on the page that isn't cited - everything but my addition. I put my addition back to the page, where it belongs. My addition is important to the content of the article and doesn't detract from anything else that was said. --Shuki18 (talk) 03:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The book is no t a reliable source: it is by a publishing house that does not put out academic and scholarly books [1]. The phrasing is terrible "According to testimony..." without saying who says what (is it Kotik?). What does this sentence mean "Their confession had been ignored by the Revisionist Zionist-hunting British police and the left-wing Jewish establishment, who were following their own political agenda to destroy the right-wing Zionist underground/political opposition to the left-wing Jewish establishment." are these your words, or Kotik's or someone else? The whole thing is redundant, given that this is the theory that the Stavsky and Rosenblatt used in their defense and it is mentioned already. The topic of the Arlosoroff Assassination has so much reliable information written about it that using this fly by night book as a scholarly source is just ridiculous. Your behavior in keeping reinserting it is despicable and harmful to Wikipedia. Mashkin (talk) 09:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Mashkin, incredible how you can teach ethics on WP. Anyway, if you claim that the paragraph can be improved than be please do so. --Shuki (talk) 21:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

There is no need for the paragraph, everything is already in he article: the theory of the Arab perpetrators, the fact that the issue was contentious and that it remains a mystery to this day. The paragraph was something like how not to write in Wikipedia. Mashkin (talk) 21:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but you've yet to prove your writing skills for you to give advice to others. Your POV edit essentially cut down the paragraph that angered you to half a line, so there is no improvement here, only your arrogant opinion and consistant enforcement of it. And as for edit warring, ah, let's go to your talk page. --Shuki (talk) 22:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

His Hebrew Works

Arlosoroff's Hebrew writings are available in their entirety at Project Ben-Yehuda. I'm not sure what the accepted form of including such a reference is, so I'm providing the info at this talk page, hoping someone could incorporate it into the article. Ijon (talk) 11:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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Not in need of hefty priority, does need references though. Staxringold talkcontribs 23:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 23:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 16:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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