Talk:Grants Pass, Oregon

Nicknames

Some of us also refer to it as "Grant's Ass"—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.38.181.154 (talk • contribs) 17:45, December 6, 2005 or "Grass Pants" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.142.106 (talk • contribs) 01:12, November 17, 2006

Just remember that this page is for improving the "Grass Pants" article, not discussing Grants Pass in general. :) Katr67 01:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Clean up

Changed "a careless hoodlum" to "vandalism", as the hoodlum comment is an opinion and not a fact, and I believe it violates the NPOV. PZoria 02:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Caveman Statue Location

I lived in Grants Pass as a kid in the late 70s - early 80s. I visited there again last weekend and the Caveman statue was in a different location from what I remember. I believe it has been moved across the street and is now hidden by trees. I remember it being between 6th and 7th street at the entrance of town. Or, maybe just higher up on the hill, closer to Morgan Lane. I couldn't find anything about this move and would like some clarification here if anyone knows about this. It should be included in the entry if the statue has indeed been moved.--Bsather 02:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

It has been moved - it used to be closer to the freeway offramp and more visible to exiting traffic. Much debate has flown around over why it was moved and how the statue didn't represent the image that the city wanted to project on visitors. The statue itself has also been vandalized (arson) and repaired (as mentioned by the article). I'm unable to locate when the statue was moved, but not sure if it's really notable enough for the article. Kameron 18:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Just saw it near the information center or chamber of commerce near Interstate 5. It may be notable enough include, possibly related to the high school using the name "Cavemen". I'd like to know the history behind both myself. Grants Pass unique oddities seem to put it on the map. There are dozens of animal statues all around downtown. Never seen anything like it before. Mdvaden 03:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean these bear statues. Looks like a variation on the CowParade fundraiser. They might merit a mention in the article. Katr67 17:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Sort of like those. At least life-size or slightly bigger. Multi-color. There are some in this video "blip" I made for Grants Pass... you need to get past the the drive through the country LOL... Tiny Grants Pass video blip The variety is amusing. I'm condering going back this week to record many more of them with my tape camera. I only had my Canon digital camera the day I recorded.Mdvaden 04:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

'Twas a sad day indeed when vandals failed to destroy forever this hideous, vomitous piece of trash. It lives on, sadly, delighting the tasteless and nauseating everyone else. Artwise, far more worthy of mention are the two excellent WPA murals in the Grants Pass Post office. There are only eight WPA murals in the entire state of Oregon and Grants Pass, for reasons I have never been able to discover, is the only city in Oregon with two of them. 68.116.40.228 (talk) 19:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

If you have info on the murals, with sources, please add it to the article. Also remember that this page is for discussing improvements to the article, not for critiquing the art or anything else in GP. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 22:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Done! Except I couldn't find out why there are two murals in the GP post office. If anybody can come up with an explanation for this, please add it.68.116.40.228 (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

External Link Suggestion

I'd like to propose a website for the external links - the site is ... I Love Grants Pass.com

Apparently, its the only interactive forum for the city, and is widely known. People I meet in other cities, like Brookings, Oregon, are even aware of ilovegrantspass.com. It has one of the best, if not the best, restaurant guides and ratings. Even local law enforcement post topics and interact in the forums. Mdvaden 05:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I actually had a discussion some months ago with the owner of that website. Though I said I wouldn't complain if he added the link back after I had removed it, he was gracious enough about following the WP:SPAM policy to not do it himself. Now remember that forums, restaurant ratings, and the like are not appropriate things to link to in an encyclopedia, because Wikipedia is not a tourist guide. There are also conflict of interest issues to keep in mind. It would be best if there is some encyclopedic local information that could be added to the article and the website used as a reference. I've become more hardline since the above forum posting, so if there isn't anything that could be considered encyclopedic on that website, the link shouldn't be added. Sorry. As an alternative, it's OK to link to the Open Directory Project using the {{dmoz}} template. Dmoz has ILGP on its list here. Let me know if you want me to take care of that for you. P.S. The website owner and I also agreed it was a bit of a breach of Netiquette to repost the contents of the private e-mail I sent him after he contacted me via e-mail, though I didn't say anything I wouldn't have said on a talk page. Katr67 17:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I Love Grants Pass.com isn't encyclopedic in the way that the City's website is, but its much, much more encyclopedic than the Grants Pass Chamber of Commerce Website (purely commercial in nature and ownership) which is very slim on any content, let alone encyclopedic. Based on your criteria, the Chamber of Commerce site may need culling, in the way that a private club's site would need culling.

I propose that with today's technology, that major forums should be included as external links. Some towns have several, and I'd propose including the major forums for a metropolitan area as long as they are "generic" and not extreme in content - like politically driven. A guideline may be to include forums that have 500 members and above, as that would show longevity and establishment. It takes forums a long time to get up to the 500 member mark. For example, in Medford, Oregon, the newspaper's Mail Tribune's forums, would be the only major forum in that city. Surprisingly, it has 3,000 members, and its been online for only 2 years. But either way, these forums are giant store-houses of local information, events, news, directions, etc.. Definitely encyclopedic in their own way. They have content that is almost inaccessible on the internet, and provide an avenue for the outside world to post questions that locals can supply answers for.

Placing a Chamber of Commerce at people's fingertips gives them resources to aid their financial survival and prosperity. I think that major forums place knowledge at their fingertips, which is more useful for storing knowledge. Mdvaden 05:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

External Link Suggestion Part 2 & "Media"

While still considering the profit of adding I Love Grants Pass Site and Forums, I decided to see what the "City of Portland" Wikipedia page was like. One thing that stood out, was the section on "Media" which listed the only newspaper (commercial interest) along with other newspapers, radio stations and television stations. Obviously there are hundreds of newspapers and letters in Portland, but they chose the major ones.

My suggestion is to add a MEDIA portion to the Grants Pass page, including not only a major forum like I Love Grants Pass, but also any significant newspapers, radio stations or television stations that serve the area. This approach seems that it would resolve some needs, using a pattern well-established by the Portland page. I propose Media: Internet, Media: Radio and Media: Television for starters.Mdvaden 03:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this makes a lot of sense. I would make the case that there is a lot of encycolpedic information, as well as local news and politics, on the http://www.ilovegrantspass.com Web site. Anybody interested in learning about the city, its landmarks, its character, its people, or local events will find more information on this Web site than anywhere else. 24.16.17.125 03:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

External links

Though there is no firm policy about it, when I have asked the folks at WikiProject Spam, they seemed to think that having links to local chambers of commerce was acceptable since they are quasi-governmental, official organizations. But I went ahead and added the {{dmoz}} link to the article and took out the CoC link--that way there should be plenty of GP links for everyone (IheartGP is on the top-level page). As far as changing Wikipedia external link policy as argued above, you might find a wider audience for your suggestions at the talk pages for Wikipedia:External links, Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities. The way I understand it, the mass media sections in the city articles only include traditional mass media: newspapers, radio and television, so if you think this should change, check in with Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities. Thanks! Katr67 15:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank-you....I visited the Wikiproject Cities that you listed and posted a comment or two for future consideration of this type of media.Mdvaden 00:46, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Fastest growing city

Per this web site. http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2007/06/oregons_fastest_growing_city_h.html Grants Pass is not one of the top fast growing cities. Removed reference since no source was included to support this claim. C. Williams (talk) 17:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Roy Masters

The influence of radio evengelist Roy Masters on the development of Grants Pass over the last 20 years should be discussed in this article. His move to Grants Pass with several thousand followers stimulated the city's recent rapid population growth and greatly improved the economy. Also, prior to Roy Masters, you could count the number of black families in Grants Pass on one hand. There are now several hundred, most of whom came in with Roy Masters. Those families, in turn, cleared the way for many more black families.

Despite the numerous positive benefits of Masters and his followers, the majority of the city's population greatly dislikes and resents him. The regard him as extremely arrogant and self-serving. The city's liberals dislike his extreme conservatism and anti-feminism, and the city's many evangelical Christians view his church as a cult.

Masters actually lives in the little town of Selma, 20 miles from Grants Pass, but he operates a large church and "foundation" in Grants Pass. His numerous children own several of the city's most prosperous businesses.

Unfortunately, this is all based on my own personal observation an dmemory, and I can't document any of it. 68.116.40.228 (talk) 19:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Palm and Cypress Trees in Grants Pass

On 14 January 2009 I entered a line (since deleted) about palm and Italian cypress trees giving some gardens a Mediterranean appearance -- based on a Google Maps Street View at 1134 Grants Pass Parkway. Head east along the Parkway from its junction with E Street and look south. The mall there looks more like something in California thanks to the presence of the aforementioned trees. Here is the link. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=42.436887,-123.30986&spn=0,359.865932&t=h&z=13&layer=c&cbll=42.43689,-123.309721&panoid=XzB7vg9RnN_8KQEcZKwwOg&cbp=12,185.20868034837935,,1,-9.634745240571712Tony (talk) 09:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Naming of City

The article states: The name was selected to honor the engineer who surveyed the railroad across the Siskiyou Mountains, and not General Ulysses S. Grant's success at Vicksburg as is sometimes cited and needs a citation.

The City of Grants Pass website, however, states: The name was selected to honor General U.S. Grant's success at Vicksburg and the post office was established in 1865. Until after the turn of the century our name still retained the original spelling of Grant's Pass, using an apostrophe.

I propose the article be changed to refer to the City's official statement, as cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.160.76 (talk) 01:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I alos propose the article be changed to refer to the City's offical statement. Grants Pass was named after General U.S. Grant's success at Vicksburg. It is incorrect to state that "as is sometimes cited" is a reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.55.227.34 (talk) 22:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Fixed, the article now makes clear that this is only the city's assertion. It's a pity that the somewhat more realistic attribution was removed in this wikifarce. ---- or whatever.

Gay Emperor?

"Craig L. Williams, LGBT royalty"

How is he a gay Emperor? Is there an Empire of gays now? Is it in Grants Pass???73.220.34.167 (talk) 21:11, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

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Compensation of City Councilors

On 28 February 2021, an editor changed the section regarding compensation of City Council members from saying they are volunteers to saying they are paid $100,000 per year. They wrote: "(→‎Government and politics: I live in this town and there was an inconsistency in what the city councilors make a year. It previously said they were volunteers but they are not that can be checked by a simple call to the local city government. I am a tax paying member of the community and the council members are paid a starting salary of $100,000 per person)" On pages 362-363 of the revised City Budget, ( https://www.grantspassoregon.gov/DocumentCenter/View/20966/FY21-Adopted-Budget ) there is a list of salary ranges for all city employees. City Council members are not listed. Lacking a citation to verify this claim, I have reverted it and requested a citation to support the claim. --DaKine (talk) 17:06, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

The GP City Council is not paid. They recently attempted to get a small stipend in a recent election; however, it did not pass. More info here: https://www.grantspassoregon.gov/570/How-Your-City-Government-Works Locu (talk) 17:19, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Population

Hello, I was reading the Wikipedia article on Grants Pass, Oregon. I noticed the population is outdated. I would like to update and change it to the correct number. I am new to Wikipedia editing! Lucia DelReal (talk) 05:22, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Lucia DelReal Go ahead, updating the population is a pretty noncontroversial change that shouldn't meet much resistance. Just be sure to cite an updated reference. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cities/US_Guideline gives good guidelines on how to update US Cities pages and recommends always using US Census data for population figures. Locu (talk) 17:00, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay thank you for the reply! Luciadelreal89 (talk) 02:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)