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benefits given to schedule tribes

do you"ll think that we peopled get our benefits very easily. Im a student studying homoeopathy i dont think this government is helping out me for my studies i m striving hard for getting my caste validity since i m a citizen of maharashtra from 19 years —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.11.118 (talk) 10:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

banjaras

BANJARAS ARE CHORS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.50.229.38 (talk) 09:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Dubious sentence in the intro

The sentence "The Gond people are from Royal house of 'Kingdom of Gond' which was abolished by marathas and Akbar" seems suspicious. It is semi-literate and makes a claim that sounds more like a myth of origin than scholarly fact. I know nothing about Indian ethnic issues, but I do know that impossible claims of royal origins for whole peoples are commonplace around the world. Luwilt (talk) 18:29, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

There was never a 'Kingdom of Gond' to my knowledge. Rather there did exist a number of gondi kingdoms during the 14th - 18th centuries (for instance Garha-Katanga/Garha-Mandla, Deogarh, Kherla and Chanda). Most of them have been vassals to the Mughals at one time (and Akbar was indeed the Mughal emperor who first launched military expeditions into Gondwana) and later on the area would be conquered by the Marathas. The Gonds as a people can obviously not all be related to the ruling Gondi dynasties that ruled these kingdoms though (and the Gond kingdoms never even ruled all Gonds in India). The Gond kingdoms are to some extent covered here: http://books.google.com/books?id=X39c2VODLT0C&printsec=frontcover&hl=sv#v=onepage&q&f=false and probably deserve an article of their own (some of them are named in the wiki article about Gondwana as it is but that article seems somewhat lacking). Quintus Primus (talk) 17:39, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

TRIBAL PEOPLE OF INDIA---

The 67.7 million people belonging to "Scheduled Tribes" in India are generally considered to be 'Adivasis', literally meaning 'indigenous people' or 'original inhabitants', though the term 'Scheduled Tribes' (STs) is not coterminous with the term 'Adivasis'. PLEASE note THATScheduled Tribes is an administrative term used for purposes of 'administering' certain specific constitutional privileges, protection and benefits for specific sections of peoples considered historically disadvantaged and 'backward'

All tribal communities are not alike. They are products of different historical and social conditions. They belong to four different language families, and several different racial stocks and religious moulds. They have kept themselves apart from feudal states and brahminical hierarchies for thousands of years.

In the Indian epics such as Ramayana, Mahabharata and Puranas (folklores) there are many references to interactions and wars between the forest or hill tribes and the Hindus. Endemic hunger and food insecurity were rampant especially in tribal dominated areas of Rajasthan. In October 2005, the New Delhi-based Centre for Environment and Food Security (CEFS) in its survey report revealed that 99 per cent of Adivasi households had lived with one or another level of endemic hunger and food insecurity throughout 2004 in the tribal dominated areas under Udaipur and Dungarpur districts.[39]

According to reports, about 80 persons belonging to the tribes had allegedly died of starvation and malnutrition in Baran district in September 2005. They had been allegedly deprived of employment and basic amenities including proper medical facilities.[40] However, a Supreme Court fact-finding committee had concluded that the deaths took place due to lack of proper health service in the area.[41]

Even in the 21st century, students and professionals belonging to tribals and Sudra communities are victimized by the Manuwadi teachers, bureaucrats, ministers, judges, doctors, and all other professionals. Brahmin, Shatriya, and Vaishya castes make up 15% of the population, yet claim about 65% of the upper-level jobs. In the first-ever statistical analysis of its kind, a survey of the social profile of more than 300 senior journalists at 37 Hindi and English language newspapers and TV studios found that "Hindu upper-caste men"— who form 8% of the country's population—hold 71% of the top jobs in the "national media." Hence, the media is biased and does not report the truth of suffering and discrimination by those in the scheduled castes and tribes. When SCs/STs asked members of the media to lodge a formal complaint, they said that "if we do that, our whole career will be finished by these professors who treat us worse than animals." Such is the terror of these Manuwadi professors. The SC/ST students prefer to swallow these insults and suffer silently Inequity has existed for thousands of years for the SCs/STs and has included educational discrimination, housing segregation, physical harassment and abuse, economic suppression and disenfranchisement, discrimination in medical care, religious discrimination, and violence (e.g., torture, murder,etc). Despite several Indian laws enacted for the protection and empowerment of the SCs/STs, Indian society still treats them as outcasts. The Indian government has passed laws to protect the Sudras, but failed to promote democratic principles, secular thinking, and progressive ethos. For instance, despite a constitutional mandate, India has repeatedly failed to fulfill the reservation quota for SCs/STs in faculty positions (saying suitable candidates are not available).

Recently, the Indian government created a committee—headed by Prof. S. K. Thorat—to investigate discrimination in the All India Institute of Medical Science (AIIMS), Delhi. The committee found widespread discrimination, harassment, torture, and abuse against SC/ST students and professionals, including examination assessment (theory and practical papers), consultation and interaction, discrimination in teaching, segregation in residential hostels, mess and dining discrimination, social isolation in cultural and sports events, ragging, anti-quota agitation, and hiring and promotion discrimination.

The AIIMS is a 100% grant-in-aid institution of the Indian government and should comply with all rules, regulations, and directives of the government to provide constitutional guarantees to the SCs/STs. According to the Thorat committee report, more than two-thirds of SC/ST students did not receive adequate support from teachers, which resulted in poor performance and psychological problems. A student at the AIIMS lost his eye due to ragging by upper-caste students, but had no forum in which to complain. There is no student representation for the Sudras.

In 2000,regarding iit's, the PDK published a book based on a study it did on the anti-Dalit attitude in the institute. The study noted that there were several departments at the institute where even after 41 years, “not a single Dalit student has been selected for doing Ph.D or has successfully completed his degree”. The study also stated that, “almost all M.Tech and ms Students in IIT were Brahmins.” The PDK is now demanding that the institute come out with a white paper providing details of the total number of Dalit students who have completed postgraduate and doctoral programmes. “The National Commission for SC/ST should closely monitor if reservation policy for Dalits is being strictly followed in student admissions,” says Viduthalai Rajendran, PDK general secretary

Private sector should reserve jobs for SC, ST,OBC.

Chandigarh, Feb 4 (PTI) Union Minister for Social Justice and Empowerment Meira Kumar today asked private sector to initiate efforts for reserving jobs for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes youth as part of its Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR).

"The government and the public sector provide reservation in jobs for SC and ST. But this kind of protection is absent in the private sector," Kumar said while addressing a programme on CSR organised by CII.

The caste system contains both social oppression and classexploitation. The dalits suffer from both types of exploitation in the worst form. 86.25 per cent of the scheduled caste households are landless and 49 per cent of the scheduled castes in the rural areas are agricultural workers. The dalits are subject to untouchability and other forms of discrimination despite these being declared unlawful. According to the 2001 census, scheduled castes comprise 16.2 per cent of the total population of India, that is, they number over 17 crore the problem of alienation of tribal lands. According to the 2007-08 Annual Report of the Ministry of Rural Development, a total of 2,084 cases of land alienation were filed in the Courts involving an area of 6,615 acres by 2007. Dalits and tribals remained vulnerable to discrimination and physical violence. Rajasthan was one among the worst states for recorded violence against Dalits during 2007 The failure to appoint sufficient number of judges contributed to increase in the number of backlog cases. There were 218,219 cases pending before the Rajasthan High Court and 11,80,334 cases pending before the District and Subordinate Courts as of 1 July 2008. Prison conditions also remained poor III. Violations of the rights of indigenous/ST peoples a. Atrocities The NCRB recorded 1,110 incidents of crime against Scheduled Tribes in 2007. These included 17 cases of killing, 25 cases registered under SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989, among others.9

b. Land rights The state government failed to address the problem of alienation of tribal lands. According to the 2007-08 Annual Report of the Ministry of Rural Development, a total of 2,084 cases of land alienation were filed in the Courts involving an area of 6,615 acres by 2007. 1,257 cases were disposed of by the Courts of which 187 cases involving 587 acres were decided in favour of the tribals, while 53 cases were rejected. Another 1,067 cases were pending in courts by the end of 2007.11 The state government failed to properly implement the Scheduled Tribes and Other Traditional Forest Dwellers (Recognition of Forest Rights) Act, 2006. In tribal-dominated Udaipur district, the district administration allegedly issued a misleading circular which stated that the cut-off year for eligibility given in the Act was 1980 instead of 2005. This was allegedly intentionally done to deprive the tribals from their rights under the Forest Rights Act. On 21 September 2008, several tribals were injured and hospitalized after they were attacked by non-tribals at Jhala Pipla village under Jhadol tehsil in Udaipur district. The tribals were targeted after they filed their claims for land rights under the Forest Rights Act. Two of the tribals identified as Vera and Naro, sustained injuries in the attack.12

HISTORY OF STs The epic of Mahabharata refers to the death of Krishna at the hands of a Bhil Jaratha. In the ancient scriptures, considered to be sacred by the upper castes, various terms are used depicting Adivasis as almost non-humans. The epics of Ramayana and Mahabharata, the Puranas, Samhitas and other so-called 'sacred books' refer to Adivasis as Rakshasa (demons), Vanara (monkeys), Jambuvan (boar men), Naga (serpents), Bhusundi Kaka (crow), Garuda (King of Eagles) etc. In medieval India, they were called derogatorily as Kolla, Villa, Kirata, Nishada, and those who surrendered or were subjugated were termed as Dasa (slave) and those who refused to accept the bondage of slavery were termed as Dasyu (a hostile robber).

Ekalavya, one of their archers was so skillful that the hero of the Aryans, Arjuna, could not stand before him. But they assaulted him, cutting his thumb and destroying his ability to fight - and then fashioned a story in which he accepted Drona as his Guru and surrendered his thumb as an offering to the master! The renowned writer Maheshwata Devi points out that Adivasis predated Hinduism and Aryanism, that Shiva was not an Aryan god and that in the 8th century, the tribal forest goddess or harvest goddess was absorbed and adapted as Siva's wife. Goddess Kali, the goddess of hunters, has definitely had a tribal origin.

The invasion of Adivasi territories, which for the most part commenced during the colonial period, intensified in the post-colonial period. Most of the Adivasi territories were claimed by the state. Over 10 million Adivasis have been displaced to make way for development projects such as dams, mining, industries, roads, protected areas etc. Though most of the dams (over 3000) are located in Adivasi areas, only 19.9% (1980-81) of Adivasi land holdings are irrigated as compared to 45.9% of all holdings of the general population. India produces as many as 52 principal, 3 fuel, 11 metallic, 38 non-metallic and a number of minor minerals.

Of these 45 major minerals (coal, iron ore, magnetite, manganese, bauxite, graphite, limestone, dolomite, uranium etc) are found in Adivasi areas contributing some 56% of the national total mineral earnings in terms of value. Of the 4,175 working mines reported by the Indian Bureau of Mines in 1991-92, approximately 3500 could be assumed to be in Adivasi areas. Income to the government from forests rose from Rs.5.6 million in 1869-70 to more than Rs.13 billions in the 1970s. The bulk of the nation's productive wealth lay in the Adivasi territories. Yet the Adivasi has been driven out, marginalised and robbed of dignity by the very process of 'national development'.

The systematic opening up of tribal territories, the development projects and the 'tribal development projects' make them conducive for waves of immigrants. In the rich mineral belt of Jharkhand, the Adivasi population has dropped from around 60% in 1911 to 27.67% in 1991. These developments have in turn driven out vast numbers of Adivasis to eke out a living in the urban areas and in far-flung places in slums. According to a rough estimate, there are more than 40,000 tribal domestic working women in Delhi alone!

Denial of justice to dalits (scheduled castes) and scheduled tribes and violence directed at them continues in India today despite official policies and declarations to the contrary. Considerable physical violence is inflicted on members of these deprived and marginalised communities as substantiated by official reports. Policing, far from being ‘the professional imposition of a coherent moral consensus on society’ is an intensely political activity with policemen often facilitating and participating in the violence not just against these two communities but against minorities, other weaker sections and women “The quota students face discrimination everywhere, starting from the canteens, laboratories and classes. Such limited numbers in a class would make the students even more vulnerable as they are most often viewed as dumb heads who have made it to IITs because of the quotas,” says Narendra Kumar, general secretary of the SC/ST Welfare Union at IIT Delhi. There is a very very Strong need of OBC/SC/ST reservation in billion dollor corporate world and billion dollor private sector,then only the backward castes can compete with forward castes,Being a good human let us try for the wellbeing of 70% People..Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigbrothersorder (talk • contribs) 08:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Removed the reference to all Gonds as descendants of a royal family. Fanciful and unsubstantiated. Interesting how the original comment on this morphed into an almost totally unrelated discussion. Tapered (talk) 21:35, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Someone has added a mention of a "kingdom of Gond" (identified as the kingdom of Garha-Katanga). While it's surely accurate that a kingdom is refered to by that name in the Akbarnama I'm failing to see what this has to do with this article. There are lots of sources for all the Gond Kingdoms, why should Garha-Katanga in particular be singled out to get a mentioned at the top of this article about the Gondi people? And why is it important what name the Akbarnama uses to refer to it? In my opinion this could be mentioned at the appropriate page (the one about the gond kingdoms). A history section that mentions that throughout the history of Gondwana a number of gond kingdoms has existed there would be more appropriate (with a link to the page about the gond kingdoms) if the kingdoms are to be mentioned on this page. 194.103.189.41 (talk) 11:25, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia on individual ethnic groups is replete with slanderous statements by several authors who are extremely biased. Gonds did have kingdoms and had kings. Just look for information on the Jagdalpur Rath Yatra of the king. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.202.130.187 (talk) 14:22, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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Women of the Gondi, the largest tribe of Indian aboriginals in central India. They are classified as a Scheduled Tribe in most Indian states. The Gondi language is related to Telugu and other Dravidian languages. About half of Gonds speak Gondi languages, while the rest speak Indo-Aryan languages including Hindi. For many years during the British colonial period, the Gonds were considered to have performed human sacrifices, although this notion was later discredited.Photo: Yann

Indian English

Can someone please translate this into English. I have struggled with some of the Indian English expressions.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:56, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

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It appears that this article is considered a stub and has been accorded "Low" priority by the group that created it. I am interested, however, by what meant by the statement "Remnants of an archaic 'dual society' still survive." To what does "dual society" refer? If someone has time, I would appreciate a fuller explanation (I am non-Indian which may excxplain my ignorance). Thank you. Yellow-Lab --Yellow-lab (talk) 22:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

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Religion

We are not hindu Gond750 (talk) 02:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

The source cited for religion has Hindu as the main religion among tribal groupings. Perhaps it's not a good source. However, to change it a published reliable source needs to be cited. I've found some possible sources although they aren't consistent:

• Gonds
• Gond tribes
• Religion of the ‘Gond’ Tribes of Middle India

Gab4gab (talk) 03:30, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

At some point in the past I thought that the article did mention animism as a feature but incorporated some aspects of Hinduism. That is quite common among the indigenous tribes of India and there are various reasons why census data for religion might be inaccurate. This gives some indication, as does this. One reason for stating Hindu even when predominantly animist in ritual etc is that stating Hinduism adds a gloss of respectability: it is a sort of religious version of sanskritisation. - Sitush (talk) 20:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Wrong information given about language

Gondi language not relates to telugu, it's mother of all languages And also not related to Hinduism 117.229.158.219 (talk) 10:27, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Sir please give Source for it being mother of all language. C1MM (talk) 05:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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