Talk:Gloria al Bravo Pueblo

Arrangement

Who arranged "Gloria al Bravo Pueblo"? The truly dissonant chord when the melody is slowed before the end of a stanza (i.e.: "El vil egoismo que otra vez triunfóooooooooooo....", with that diminished/augmented/Bach-tocatta-like scary chord) is one of the cleverest musical devices I've heard in my life. I'm not Venezuelan, and yet I LOVE this anthem. Any idea, Venezuelans? Demf 15:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

"All America", means "All America"

It doesn't mean "Pan Americanism" as the reference of the lyrics says, let me explain to all of you, why. When the Congress Of Panama died in 1822 after the made of the "Cucuta Constitution" then 10 years after the "Great Colombia" was divided in countries, after that, Venezuela did never "encourage" (as the article of Pan Americanism says) any relationship with any other country, not even in the government of Guzman Blanco, when the national anthem was writen, in 1881. What does that means? yes! you're right, it doesn't mean Pan-Americanism, because Venezuela never maked any of that after the Congress Of Panama and The Great Colombia was divided.

So, don't try to interpretate something if you don't know what are you saying, or the history of the anthem, and even more, when you're not citizen of that country, when the anthem says, "all America exists as a Nation" remember your country's name is U.S.A. not "America", so the lyrics refers to the whole continent AMERICA, why? maybe because of the Megadiverse nature of Venezuela, or the biggest reserves of every natural resources in the whole continent and the world, maybe, we will never know, but don't try to speculate, something, that's not right, and lyrics that were writed 131 years ago. Thanks. I already fixed it anyways.

--Ennzo (talk) 02:35, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

I am Venezuelan, and I can confirm that "All America" ​​refers to America united with Pan-Americanist feelings, this because these sentiments were in part the basis of the feelings of independence in Venezuela

190.37.234.69 (talk) 01:02, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

It should say how the "otra vez triunfó" is not normal spanish

I am a spanish speaker, & "otra vez" would mean "again", "once more", so here we would say "una vez triunfó", or "una vez había triunfado." This is very weird to most spanish speakers, as it'd read as if it was saying, **"the vile egotism won again". Yoandri Dominguez Garcia 20:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Accuracy in translation

I’m going to make some changes which I think are better explained somewhat here: first, broadly speaking, pueblo doesn’t really translate to “people” very well. People might be a better English translation for Spanish words like gente or personas.

The sharp-eyed among you may notice “Hey, that pueblo word is the same as the one before a town’s name…” You are correct! Pueblo means both village and the people of that village: the villagers or townsfolk. It’s derived from the Latin populus from which English gets population and popular.

So might a better translation of pueblo be population? No, aside from being clumsy, that misses the flavor of what a Spanish-speaking Latin American orator means when referring to the pueblo, a non-pejorative word meaning common folk, as in everyday people. (The pejorative word commoners by contrast would sound insulting and wrong.) Citizens — for which Spanish has ciudadanos — occurred to me, but even more widely misses the mark. The anthem is an exhortation to the Americas as a whole, its author avoided the specificity of ciudadanos. Returning to the Latin origin populus and to the English word popular… the pueblo is who a populist might address, a grassroots audience.

I’d argue folk comes the closest to capturing what the meaning of pueblo is here. (That it rhymes with yoke in the next line is just a happy coincidence.) Townsfolk also comes close, but sounds too specific — like maybe Mérida or some specific town is meant — and villagers conjures images of peasants with pitchforks and torches. The common people or the common folk might be literally closest, but in English those unfortunately come close to sounding negative, therefore also missing the meaning. Folk also benefits from being a little archaic and poetic, which fits with the anthem’s language. (A later verse addresses the audience with the archaic Spanish vos reverencial — its English equivalent would be commanding a group “followest thou!”)

I think folk is the happiest compromise, followed by the common folk, with the current word people being waaaaay far off.

Anyhow, I’ll mull it over a little more before changing it. In the meantime I’d welcome any constructive suggestions!

-Danopticon (talk) 01:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

For that matter, bravo can mean either brave or angry… and it can be an exclamation! The lyricist is mining all of those meanings: the word doesn’t conjure simply images of brave townsfolk, but rather of angry, determined people shouting in uprising. So, of the anthem’s first four words, two are rich in Spanish-language nuance missing entirely from the English translation! Ha!! Well, this is quite the project I’ve decide to take on…

-Danopticon (talk) 20:31, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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