Talk:Get Outta My Dreams, Get into My Car

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Origin of the title

While covered by Ringo, "You're Sixteen" isn't his song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.49.141.158 (talk) 15:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

That's true, "You're Sixteen" - "is a song written by the Sherman Brothers (Robert B. Sherman and Richard M. Sherman). It was first performed by American rockabilly singer Johnny Burnette." Maybe Ocean and/or Mutt were inspired directly by the Starr version? But there's no source to support that. So I think it's best to replace Starr with the Sherman Brothers, until any contrary source is found. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

into -> Into

Hey all, re the into->Into edit, recommended by The U.S. Government Printing Office Style Manual: "Capitalize all words in titles of publications and documents, except a, an, the, at, by, for, in, of, on, to, up, and, as, but, it, or, and nor." Obviously not the final say here but only my rationale;revert/trim/edit as you will, it looks quite odd lowercase there, was the ultimate immediate factor to me. readability uniformity consistency etc. that's the rationale for this edit. Phaedrx (talk) 09:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

also if it matters, the American Psychological Association endorses me (this edit, anyway): 'Capitalize all words of four letters or more.' (directions for implementing APA title case, http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2012/03/title-case-and-sentence-case-capitalization-in-apa-style.html).Phaedrx (talk) 09:17, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree. I've made a formal request to move (see below). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 30 November 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus is against moving. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 22:59, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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Get Outta My Dreams, Get into My Car → Get Outta My Dreams, Get Into My Car – upper case for I in "Into" - consistency with article, and as listed on album cover track listing – Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:44, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

• @Martinevans123: Wikipedia rules say no capital for preposition with less than 5 letters. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:44, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

"Wikipedia rules" don't really apply to the original product, i.e. album cover track listing, do they? It's "Into" everywhere else in the article, except the title? This seems a trifle inconsistent. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:54, 30 November 2015 (UTC) The compound slang Outta breaks Wikipedia house style as well, doesn't it? So "into" becomes the odd word out.

Responding to the </small> comment above about "Outta", I cannot think of any Wikipedia guideline that would suggest removing slang from a title or quotation, although slang would be generally be discouraged in formal writing that is not about the slang and is not quoting slang. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:52, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

That wasn't my main point? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:55, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose per MOS:CT. Essentially all highly reputable publications have a house style. So does Wikipedia. Since there is a house style, we should apply it. I see no strong argument why this article should be an exception. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:52, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

You see nothing special about the title of a play, book or song? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:57, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Minor styling issues for the titles of creative works are commonly adjusted to fit a house style that is intended to provide a consistent and professional publication style. This is the common practice of essentially all high-quality publishers, and is generally done without comment (cf. MOS:QUOTE's statement that "A quotation is not a facsimile, and in most cases it is not desirable to duplicate the original formatting. Formatting and other purely typographical elements of quoted text should be adapted to English Wikipedia's conventions without comment provided that doing so will not change or obscure the meaning of the text; this practice is universal among publishers. These are alterations which make no difference when the text is read aloud, such as ... Changing capitalization ..."). If there is something special about a particular topic, e.g., if there are high quality sources that say that the styling of a name is distinctive and important to consider, that can be discussed within the article or can be considered as an exception to the general rule established for the house style. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:39, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

All very well. I'm sorry, but I don't see a song title as "a quote". We're not considering a stanza from the song. My point is not about "high quality sources" - it's just that this is how the title was intended to be written in mixed case. The "Outta" is meant to contrast with the "Into". Do you think the reader will be shocked that Into had been given a "contrary-to-house-style" upper case letter here, unlike in other song article namea? Will they even notice? I think not. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. I see no reason to follow the "art" rendition of an audio product. Nor do I see any value in relegating MOS:CT for a free-for-all. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:16, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Why should it be a "free-for-all"?? Here's the title on a label and here it is on the album cover Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - "into" is used as a preposition, not anything else. Therefore, it should stay lowercased. WP:NCCAPS also cover this. George Ho (talk) 06:59, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks, George, but isn't "Outta" a "preposition, not anything else" too? So we now need to make all the other intos consistent with the "Wikipedia house style" title. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC) p.s. Richhoncho, the ""art" rendition of an audio product" is why we have an article here at all?

"Outta" is five letters long, so MOS:CT says to capitalize it. You may request a WP:Move review, but there was no support for the proposal, so overturning the decision seems unlikely. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:02, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I counted, thanks. This just seems to be house style trumping the way it's actually written in most places, for the sake of it. To me it looks "uneven". I'll probably launch a vitriolic encyclopedia-wide campaign in the New Year! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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