Talk:Genuine Cuban Giants

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Redirect to Cuban Giants

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Ok, a user has disputed (twice) the redirect of this article to the Cuban Giants and requested I "prove it", so here it goes.

First the target article supports this redirection where it states (albeit rather awkwardly, to say the least): "This dismantling and reassembling of the team became routine year after year until 1896, when E.B. Lamar Jr. from Brooklyn bought the team from Bright, renaming them the Cuban X-Giants. Bright responded by putting together an inferior team calling them the “Genuine Cuban Giants” or the “Original Cuban Giants.”"

Second, in Holway's Complete Book, he refers to the Cuban Giants and Genuine Cuban Giants as the same entity. Unfortunately, he focuses mostly on the players in the text and only mentions the naming difference in passing by using quotes around genuine for the 1901 and 1902 seasons (pp. 39 & 40). However, in the index, all "Genuine" references fall under the "Cuban Giants" entry (p. 499), while the X-Giants have their own entry (also p. 499).

Third, just to give you some online references that you can view yourself, see these 2 SABR entries. Frank Grant and George Stovey, both important figures in the team's history. The reference is near the end of each of the 2 articles, just use your search function to search for "genuine" to find the relevant paragraph. To quote them: Grant bio: "John Bright changed the name of the Cuban Giants in 1896 in response to Lamar’s X-Giants infringement. Bright now used the term “Original” or “Genuine” to refer to his nine." Stovey bio: "In response to LaMar’s encroachment, John Bright changed the name of the Cuban Giants, adding the term “Original” or “Genuine” to refer to his nine."

I can research this further, but I don't have the other sources on-hand so I would have to check them out from the library, or we can ping the wikiproject for further input.

This is not a separate entity, but a restocking of the team that was raided of players by the X-Giants; in order to combat the name theft, Bright started calling his team "Genuine" or "Original" or "Famous" (however the exact dates he started doing this vary from 1896 to about 1905, depending on the source).

I would be interested in knowing what sources you are looking at, especially if they are contradictory. I hope this is sufficient to continue with the simple redirect. Rgrds, (Dynamic IP, will change when I log off.) --64.85.217.171 (talk) 04:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, I appreciate your taking the time to document why you feel the redirect should be done, and I am fine with it now that you have done so. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 13:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

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