Talk:Former countries in Europe after 1815

to be added:

• Bessarabia - October 1917 - April 1918 (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 12:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
• Principality of Pindo - 1940 - 1947 (added 31-08-2005, Electionworld 12:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC))

bogdan | ^Talk 21:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Also:

• Principality of Wallachia (up to 1859) (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• Principality of Moldavia (up to 1859) (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• United Romanian Principalities (Principatele Unite Române) (1859 - 1862) -- was something like a confederation, with two governments, one at Bucharest and one at Iaşi, but one Prince (Alexandru Ioan Cuza); in 1862, they were unified in one country with one government. bogdan | ^Talk 16:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

But these were not independent states. Independence was proclaimed in 1877. Electionworld 21:22, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

But unlike Serbia or Greece, they were not Ottoman Empire provinces ("Pashaliks") i.e. they used a Romanian administration. AFAIK, the only thing decided by the Turks was the foreign politics. Anyway, parts of Wallachia were "independent" during the 1821 and the 1848 revolutions. bogdan | ^Talk 21:45, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

• Transnistria (since 1990) - de facto independent, de jure part of Moldova. bogdan | ^Talk 08:25, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

This is not (yet) a former country, so as long as it is limited to former countries it shouldn't be listed. Electionworld 11:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Right. :-) bogdan | ^Talk 11:53, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Countries that regained independence

Slovakia was added. This implies that a country is added, that is now independent again. here is no objection to that, but it means that some other entities have to be added (Electionworld 06:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)):

• Armenia (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
• Azerbaijan (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
• Belarus (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
• Bessarabia, Moldavia = Moldova~(added 31-8-2005 as Moldavia, Electionworld 12:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC))

  They don't have the same borders. Moldova includes Transnistria (back in 1918 was part of USSR), but does not include Southern Bessarabia (Ismail and Cetatea Albă) and Herţa/Hotin (in North) regions, which are now part of Ukraine. bogdan | ^Talk 13:17, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

  I know, therefore it is listed as Moldavia and is mentioned that it is partially part of Ukraine. Electionworld 14:50, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

• Croatia (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• Estonia (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• Latvia (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• Lithuania (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• Russian Empire (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
• Ukraine (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC))

This is a very difficult topic (and every single country is a specific case) but basically, WWII Slovakia had nothing in common with the current country, neither legally nor (to a large extent) territorially, besides the name and the language. I suggest adding as much countries as possible...Juro 01:46, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Plan to include also present-day countries

I plan to add also the present-day countries in the upcoming period. I created therefore a sandbox. When ready, the entry will be renamed into Countries in Europe after 1815.Electionworld 20:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I think that we need an article like this one. If you want to include present-day countries, make a new article, but don't rename this one. -- Obradović Goran (ta^lk 03:18, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Bavarian Soviet Republic

Also Bavarian Soviet Republic should be added -- a short-lived revolutionary state. bogdan | ^Talk 15:51, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

...and the Hungarian Soviet Republic and Slovak Soviet Republic Juro 23:34, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Bavaria could be added, but not the HSR and SSR, since these were counter-governments, not an attemot for a separate state. Electionworld 20:30, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

THe SSR was as much an attempt for a separate state (as the name suggests) as the BSR, the HSR is disputable of course given the complicated circumstances at that time...But I think, the best solution for such lists is to add as much as possible. Juro 22:24, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

The Munich Soviet Republic was a counter-government as well. Since the article is called "former countries", I would propose to remove them. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 14:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd tend to agree. —Nightstallion (?) 21:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

This should also be added:

Labin Republic

Added, however by the above discussion I am unsure if it belongs here... as it could be construed as an anti government resistance. --Dex1337 04:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

other articles

Are there other lists of former countries? For other continents? For other time periods? Kingturtle (talk) 11:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Flags

How about having flags here? They would help the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.121.183.72 (talk) 21:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Indeed it would. For instance, to help distinguish the Principality of Albania from the Kingdom of Albania. --Vaximillian (talk) 08:59, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Baltic States

I will remove Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania from that list, because according to their governments, they never ceased to exist, they were occupied by the Soviets, Nazis and again by Soviets, until they regained their independence in 1991. It is virtually the same as with Denmark that was occupied during World War II, but for ca 50 years. H2ppyme (talk) 09:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

It is not the same as that at all. Denmark was invaded by the Nazis; the army immediately surrendered, and an armistice agreement was signed which allowed the Germans to occupy the country until the end of the war. The Danish government continued to function until 1943, and maintained diplomatic relations with Germany, with which it had never declared war. The king remained in Copenhagne, and the Germans treated Denmark as an independent state. In 1943, the government resigned in protest at German policies, but even then direct German rule was not instituted; instead, the permanent department heads from the professional civil service ran the various government departments until the end of the war. The Baltic situation was entirely different; there the Soviets sent ultimatums, which, following some personnel changes, the governments of those countries accepted. The Soviets then manipulated the new governments into requesting annexation by the Soviet Union, which was then carried out. Obviously, this was done under duress and had no moral legitimacy, but, legalistically, there's few similarities here. The Baltic states were annexed by the Soviet Union following phony elections; Denmark was merely occupied by German troops. john k (talk) 06:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Austria-Hungary and Russia after WWI

Which parts of Austria-Hungary were ceded to Russia after WWI? According to my knowledge, the north-eastern part of Austria-Hungary was ceded to Poland and Romania, while the Russian border adjacent to Galizia was unchanged after the war. Please, do provide info on this! --Astor Piazzolla (talk) 13:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

To clarify, which parts were ceded immediately after WWI? After WWII the eastern tip of Czechoslovakia and the eastern part of Galicia were ceded to Ukraine, but this was 25 years after the Treaty of Trianon.--Astor Piazzolla (talk) 13:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, no parts of Austria-Hungary went to Russia/the USSR immediately after World War I. Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Poland, Romania, and Italy received all Austro-Hungarian territory after the war. john k (talk) 06:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Redone

I have just redone the article and hope I got them all. Now everything is in sort-table columns for easy access to a variety of information instead of only alphabetically. Do not revert this edit! If any countries are missing, and I hope there aren’t any just add them by following the format used in the editing box. If you are not sure how to do it it would be best for you to list them here and I will add them for you as soon as possible.

I hope people like the adjustment and see the benefits of it! Please leave comments about it here so I know if there is anything I should add: maybe a column that has the name of the country in its native language, for example. Vadac (talk) 03:31, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

German states

It is at least arguable that the German Empire (1871-1918) was a confederation of independent states, rather than a single federal state. Certainly the North German Confederation (1867-1871), its direct predecessor, was viewed as the former, and the constitution of the Empire was based on that of the Confederation. As far as the definitions of statehood go, each kingdom had its own army and its own diplomatic service. The smaller states had somewhat less independence, at least militarily, but Hesse-Darmstadt, for instance, accredited its own diplomatic agents to Russia. It would seem fairly straightforward that Bavaria or Saxony met the standards for the declarative theory of statehood until 1918 or 1919 - they had a defined territory, a population, a government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other states. The fact that these states had diplomatic relations with other states in this period would suggest they fit the constitutive theory of statehood, as well. The independence enjoyed by the various German states between 1867 and 1918 was almost certainly more extensive than that enjoyed by the European microstates, with the possible exception of San Marino. The Weimar Constitution obviously ended this status, and turned Germany more formally into a federal state, but prior to that there is a strong case to be made for the continued existence of the various German states as independent states. john k (talk) 06:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Kaiser era German Empire (1871-1918) was a federation not a confederation 109.192.146.247 (talk) 09:57, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

a quarrel with the title

The Kingdom of Portugal is a former state. It is not a former country; the country continues. —Tamfang (talk) 21:41, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Lemko Republic and Komancza Republic

Both the Lemko Republic and Komancza Republic should be added. They were short lived republics between 1918-1919 before being absorbed into both Poland and Ukraine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:25C0:380:B45E:92D7:E5EF:C410 (talk) 22:02, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

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Nazi Germany

why is nazi germany not on this list, said infernal state was snuffed out in '45, was is it not on the dead states list, should i add it? anyone please tell me thank you. Tob 888 II (talk) 19:39, 1 October 2023 (UTC)