Talk:Ford Cologne V6 engine

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What cars still use this engine? Certainly not any of Ford's European products. -- stewacide —Preceding undated comment added 03:43, 7 October 2004

It seems, reading the article, like it almost reads that TVRs were the only users of each engine type -- some info on original Ford usage would be nice. I don't know it well enough. —Morven 08:29, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

I agree - in fact I just added the 2.6L info last night (based on a 1972 issue of Road and Track!) to rectify this situation! This article needs work! --SFoskett 16:35, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

I think the original engine was the 2.3 L followed by the 2,6 L. For racing fans the most mythical was the 2,6 L used in the Capri RS.

Ericd 23:53, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No kidding - When I read about the two 2.6es, I just had to add the info to the page. Awesome engine! --SFoskett 16:23, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)

Why are the Cosworth versions of the 2.9 not included? (e.g engine codes BOA and BOB). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeroen1974 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

The 4.0 SOHC is still used (for now) in the Ranger, Explorer, and Mustang. Last I heard it was to be discontinued after 2007, but I don't know what they'll use after that. They say it'll be the Duratec, but that engine seems to be too high-strung for a truck application. Sable232 02:34, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

• The Ford Mondeo used the 4.0 liter version? It seems odd to me because all the other applications were RWD trucks. Undeuxtroiskid 04:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• Did the Mark IV Ford Cortina not have a 2.3 Cologne V6? http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Ford_Cortina#Mk_IV_.281976.E2.80.931979.29 Mixino1 23:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Note from a TVR enthusiast.....

The 2.3 Cologne was used in the Mark IV Cortina in Europe, and also in the German Built Capri (but not in UK models, which went from the 2.0 OHC L4 straight to 2.8 V6). I have seen a 2.3 Capri import, so I know this is true.

The European Ford Granada had 2.3, 2.8 and the later 2.4 and 2.9 engines intalled, and later on the Cosworth 24v 2.9 version (but only with automatics I think) . Ford Sierras also had the 2.3 engine with type 9 5 speed box, as well as 2.8 and 2.9 engines.

The Wiki main article goes on about poor flow through the 2.8 because of siamesed ports, but this is likely not really true, as the 2.9 didn't manage any increase in BHP output with 6 exhaust ports, and the 'K' series inlet manifold was supposed to be restrictive as well, but it has been shown that a 'K' 2.8 can get up to 200BHP with only a mild gas flowing, so it's not that bad. Turbo kits were available with 240BHP and kept the siamesed ports..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.130.44 (talk) 23:23, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Wrong year

The starting year for the Cologne V6 on List_of_Ford_engines ia shown as 1977. That's way off. The 2.8 liter version first appeared in the USA in the 1974 Mustang II and the imported Capri used the 2.6 before that.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.227.205.86 (talk) 08:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The engine started in 1964 in the Ford Taunus 20M P5. The original size was 2.0 litres. 84.140.31.160 21:02, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Discontinued?

If the Cologne will be killed in 2007, then why did Ford go to the trouble of installing it in the new-for-'07 Sport Trac? It seems to me it would be a waste of money to develop the tooling. Ford claims it to have less emissions that some hybrids. This makes it sound like the Cologne will be with us for a few more years. --Sable232 22:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Bore & Stroke

Does anyone know the bore & stroke figures? Are they originally in inches or SI metric system?
By my calculation, it looks like the stated bore and stroke may be slightly off:

1872cc Stroke est.: 6.008 - 6.009 cm
1998cc Stroke est.: 6.008 - 6.009 cm
2293cc Stroke est.: 6.008 cm
2637cc Stroke est.: 6.908 - 6.909 cm
North wiki 04:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• bore and stroke in the article are from Werner Oswald, Deutsche Autos (German cars) 1945 - 1975, ISBN 3-87943-391-7. Normally, Werner Oswald is a very reliable source. However, there may be some roundings. Please note: displacement of the 1.8 litre is only 1812 cc! 84.140.57.5 17:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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First mass-produced V6s?

"arguably the first two mass produced V6 engines" ??? The GMC V6 Engine predated it by at least two years. Zapping the "first two" and replacing with "one of the first". -- Badtux (talk) 22:30, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

It would seem that both the GMC and Buick V6s predate it. The UK Essex probably should not be mentioned at all since it apparently came after all three, but that brings me to another point (see section below). --Sable232 (talk) 17:06, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

The Lancia V6 engine predates all of these, having been introduced in 1950. It was definitely mass-produced, with more than 18,000 examples of the Aurelia built between 1950 and 1962, and the same V6 also used in the Lancia Flaminia from 1957 onwards. I'd suggest that the Ford Cologne V6, coming in a full 12 years after the Lancia V6 and the other V6 engines described, is just too late in the piece for the epithet, "among the first mass-produced V6 engines in the world" to be appropriate. 58.7.107.142 (talk) 01:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Seconded. Zap.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Introduction date?

The infobox gives an introduction date of 1962, while the lead says 1965, and the 2.0 section says it was first used in 1964. None are sourced - does anyone know which is correct? I haven't been able to find any solid references but 1964 would be logical as it matches the introduction of the Taunus P5. --Sable232 (talk) 17:06, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Sierra Estate

The 2.9i was also used in the Sierra 4x4 Ghia Estate until 1990. Prior to that the 2.8i was available in the same model. 31.124.102.67 (talk) 18:50, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Added, thanks.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)