Talk:Florida Gators

Article targeted for major re-write

This article has been targeted for a major re-write by one or more of the editors of the University of Florida Wikipedia Project, including achieving an "encyclopedic" neutral point of view, properly sourcing all factual material to reliable and authoritative sources (either on-line news sources or hard-copy publications), and uniform style and formatting consistent with the UF Wikipedia Project, all with the goal of satisfying the Wikipedia requirements for "Feature Article" status. Given the sensitivity of some UF-affiliated editors to changes to Gators athletics articles that they have placed on their "watch lists," your comments and input are solicited.

The ultimate goal is to eliminate any "rah-rah" aspects of the article, and let the facts and statistics regarding the Gators sport teams' success speak for themselves, so that the final product will reflect well on the University of Florida, as viewed by unaffiliated readers seeking information about the team, UF, UAA, etc.

Please leave suggestions below or contact the undersigned editor privately by e-mail or user discussion messages. Thank you. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Simultaneous titles

"This is the first time in NCAA history that a school's football and basketball teams have held national titles at the same time.

I won't change this because I sense a good natured Gator Fan will quickly put it back, so I will post it here. Simply, this sentence is factually inaccurate. The basketball championship and the football championship happened under both different calendar years and different scholastic years.
User:DOMICH 00:04, 13 March 2007

Just a heads up they won the Basketball Championship in 2006 and in 2007 Back to Back so that is correct. They one the football Championship in between. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.215.213 (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Q. Who is the current (March 2007) champion of Div I basketball? A. Florida Q. Who is the current (March 2007) champion of Div I football? A. Florida

Case closed. 71.98.233.55 02:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Q. And in what role did you specifically serve in making that statement correct? A. None Case closed, thanks to 2007 basketball team. User:DOMICH 21:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not this was the case in March 2007. It is certainly the case in May 2007. Both in calendar 'year' and nominal 'year'. 72.196.116.29 19:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Popularity vs alphabetical

I wonder which is a better format for presenting the men's and women's sports. There is no consensus that I know of in other collegiate athletics articles. Is it better to list by popularity (as the sports are listed now) or alphabetically? WTStoffs 05:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, on this university article's talk page, it was presented that ordering items within a topic by any other criteria than alphabetical is against Wikipedia policy and a violation of one of the Five Pillars of Wikipedia:

I'm just trying to put the relatively prominent category first. All other universities do so. You're overreacting. Edipedia 
21:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality is one of the five pillars of Wikipedia, and your determination of what is "relatively prominent" is not neutral. 
The fact that other articles do it differently does not make it correct or within policy. Since this was only your second 
edit in the project [4] (and I'm not trying to bite), perhaps it is worth considering that it was in error. --MichaelZimmer 
(talk) 21:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC) 

So that ought to answer your question for you. -- CollegeSportsGuy 13:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Given the national prominence of the football and men's basketball team, I think it is entirely appropriate that these two teams be placed first in order. These are the most likely articles that readers are seeking. That being said, all UF sports deserve equal consideration in their articles, and I've been chewing on the articles for the new women's lacrosse team and its coach, and I intend to edit and expand the articles for the women's soccer, softball and volleyball teams and their respective head coaches. Given the recent NCAA and SEC success of these women's teams, they deserve well written articles, too. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've had time to think about it. As a result, I have alphabetized all sports, except football, and have alphabetized all sports facilities by name. And, if someone wants to stomp their feet, I will place football in alphabetical order, too. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:35, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Milestones for Men's Basketball

The first semi-final appearance (NCAA Final Four) is mentioned and of course winning the NCAA Championship is mentioned but in between those two milestones was the first appearance to the NCAA finals (with Donovan and losing to Michigan State). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.88.165.35 (talk • contribs).

Where did the list of traditional rivals come from?

Miami hasn't really been a rival since the 1980s--IIRC, we don't play them in men's basketball, and if Florida doesn't play someone in football or men's basketball, I don't see how they can be a rival. South Carolina seems like rather a stretch, even with Spurrier there, as does Kentucky--it's true that Florida and Kentucky have typically been competing for the top spot in the SEC in men's basketball in recent years, but has the Kentucky game really becomes as big a deal on-campus as the Tennessee game, or even a big non-conference game? Conversely, there's no mention of Auburn, whose rivalry with Florida was the second-oldest football rivalry in the south until it was discontinued in 2002. Even LSU, who might not be too big a deal to Florida but who absolutely hate us, might warrant a mention. Binabik80 02:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it is okay to mention Miami and Auburn as prominent formal rivals, however I think that the only schools that currently qualify as Florida's rivals are Tennessee, Florida State and Georgia. KyuzoGator 19:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Linkage

Since the cleanup of external links, those wishing for shameless self-promotion have added their respective sites back up. Does this article really need to be a links directory? I suggest we leave the official website and no more. Machawk1 21:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

The link for Mike Heath goes to the baseball player. Perhaps a stub needs to be made for Mike Heath, the swimmer. I don't know how to do this.

With the cross-referenced lists of included players from major sports, and internal Wiki cross-references to each of the Gators sports teams (and coaches, to be added), there should not be any need for individual athlete external links. Fan site and blog links are not appropriate. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?!

Is anyone else tired of all the vandalism that occurs on this page. Everyday I have to revert to previous versions because of some vulgar comments (probably made by those who are jealous of the Gators' recent success). Could I recommend protection from new and unregistered users? Jpm78 18:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Stadiums

I just wanted to point out that you guys forgot the soccer stadium in the opening. It's called James G. Pressly Stadium and is also on Stadium Road. Outdoor track and field meets are also held there (indoor ones are held at the O-Dome). There's a golf course (named University of Florida Golf Course) and a lacrosse stadium being built on campus too. --Ocdmuch (talk) 19:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Mark Bostic Golf Course is in fact the University of Florida Golf Course.NorwalkJames (talk) 02:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

These issues have now been tidied up, thanks to NorwalkJames and others. = ) Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Winningest

What sort of word is 'winningest' as in 'The winningest women's basketball coach'?--User:Brenont (talk) 05:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

A horrible one. It is never used in British English and is used mostly informally in U.S. English, thus we should try not to use it in Wikipedia based on MOS:COMMONALITY alone. The issue is not solely one of different strands of English, however. There is also the problem of the word's clarity and usage. Strictly, it should mean "one with most wins", but this can be problematic as whoever has the most wins may also have many losses if they have played more games than others, so the one with most wins may not always be considered the most successful. Therefore, some have used "winningest" to mean "best win percentage" (proportion of games won) instead. It is much better to expand "winningest" in order to spell out exactly what is meant. This may be less succinct, but is necessary to remove any ambiguity. --Jameboy (talk) 21:04, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of UF Athletic Hall of Fame navbox

Concerned editors may want to comment on the navbox TfD here: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 September 8#Template:University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame. The nominating editor wants to delete the University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame navbox. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Gator Chomp be merged into Florida Gators. There is little hope of expanding the article because the subject matter is a simple gesture. DOSGuy (talk) 21:28, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Support. There would seem to be very little scope for expanding the article. --Jameboy (talk) 20:42, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Support. I also agree with this statement due to the fact there is little left to add to this article and is very related to Florida Gaotrs.Dbeckelheimer (talk) 23:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Correction for former sports section

In the former varsity sports section, it incorrectly says that "men's volleyball" was one of the sports dropped.

There was a women's volleyball team offered for the 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977 and 1978 seasons. It was voted in the spring of 1979 to discontinue women's volleyball and men's wrestling.

Volleyball was reinstated beginning for the 1984 season.

See "A Whole New Look" at the end of: http://www.gatorzone.com/guides/volleyball/pages/history/year_by_year_results.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProjectRunway32611 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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Using Gator Head logo in individual team articles

I don't understand why variants of the Gator Head logo are used in practically every non-football team's article such as Florida Gators men's basketball, Florida State Seminoles baseball, etc. when other colleges' individual team articles use non copyrighted wordmarks, such as Florida State Seminoles men's basketball, Florida State Seminoles baseball, and South Florida Bulls men's basketball.

I realize I made a mistake using the same script logo used in Florida State Seminoles football in other articles. As a compromise, I propose using file:Florida Gators alternate logo.svg for the baseball and softball articles since those teams use the alternate "F" logo on their helmets and the File:Florida Gators wordmark.svg ("FLORIDA" in all caps) for other non-football sports teams, since that all-caps wordmark is used across the GatorZone.com website. Arbor to SJ (talk) 00:06, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

It all stems back to when Dirtlawyer1 was editing. There is nothing wrong with using a sports-specific logo, as is done with the UofF articles (see WP:NFC#UUI §17). Some schools don't list sports-specific logos in their brand guides and as a result use the wordmarks. UofF uses these logos in their social media accounts which means they use it in their brand guide too (which I had the school email me). A full discussion took place back in December 2015. As of right now, I do not support using the wordmark in the sub-articles as there sports-specific logos that are doing the job just fine. Corky 00:20, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Actually, the discussion you link came to this conclusion:

“ Keep the logo but restrict its use to only the main Florida Gators article. The use of the logo on any other pages is not permitted per NFCC policy. ”

A "GATORS" wordmark printed in the same font as this "FLORIDA" one on Commons is used on practically every individual sports team's page on FloridaGators.com, such as the men's basketball page. It's also used on jerseys, as the various photos on the Gators website indicate.

In addition, individual season's articles use the "FLORIDA" wordmark, like 2017–18 Florida Gators men's basketball team. Arbor to SJ (talk) 00:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

That discussion was specifically for File:Florida Gators logo.svg, nothing else. There were a few editors who disagreed, and a few that agreed. If you truely want the Gator head gone from all articles, then I say FFD them. Corky 00:36, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Challenge accepted. Arbor to SJ (talk) 19:53, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

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