Talk:Fazer

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Fazer does not manufacture candy anymore, that part has been taken over by CloettaFazer, which is not fully owned by Fazer and should have it's own article. ProbablyX 11:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I have created an article for CloettaFazer and added a link to it from the Fazer article ProbablyX 11:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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Conditory?

The definition of conditory, according to the OED, is "A repository; spec. a place for depositing the dead." The original page (in english) says French-Russian cafe, but I didn't want to just change it, in case you were translating from Finnish and there's a better word. Quendiljt (talk) 12:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Well spotted. The original Finnish article used "fi:konditoria", meaning "bakery, sweets shop, café". I had no idea the word could not be directly translated to English, as I have learned English as a completely foreign language. I changed it to "confectionary". JIP | Talk 20:37, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Finnish pronunciation

This article claims the Finnish pronunciation is /fatser/ when in reality it's /ʋatser/. The sound /f/ is not native to Finnish (it's not even listed on the IPA help page) and the majority of Finns pronounce it with a /ʋ/. I'll change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johannes44274427 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Are you sure about this? From my Helsinki perspective, “Vatser” is something that you could expect from your small-town grandpa or from a populist politician who wants to sound folksy, but such an utterance from a newscaster would lead to complaints. I would classify this pronunciation as dialectal. --Silvonen (talk) 09:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Silvonen completely. I have lived in various Finnish provinces, and pronouncing /f/ is not a problem anywhere for anyone under 90 years of age with teeth in their mouth. The pronunciation /ʋatser/ is pure nonsense. For Finnish-speaking Finns the pronunciation is /fatser/, and for Swedish-speaking Finns something closer to /fatsær/. –Kotivalo (talk) 16:14, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

And to be sure, in several traditional finnish dialects the sound /f/ actually does exist, while it is true that in many (or most) tradiotional finnish dialects it is replaced by, for example, with /v/ or /h/. And thus, for example, the Finnish place name Forssa (actually a name given by a swedish speaking factory owner for his mill in a totally finnish speaaking area of Finland; in Sweden there are localities with the same name) in local or nearby dialects may have been pronounced (locally) /vorssa/ or (in a very archaic manner in a nearby dialect of a neighbouring locality) /horssa/. And in the same nearby dialects, where people have spoken about /horssa/ they still may have said: /faarelma/ ("raspberry", in standard finnish: vadelma), /pesofati/ ("dish, bowl", in standard finnish: pesuvati) but still: /hunteerata/ ("think", from swedish "fundera"). And this /f/ also occurs in some finnish languge proper names such as fi:Friitala. The occurence of /f/ probably comes from contact with the swedish language, as well as in areas where there have been contacts with russian language (actually this may be the case in karelian language that may have had a dialect continuum with Finnish language) there may occur sounds that occur in russian but not traditionally in other dialects of finnish, like in word fi:Tšasouna or in surname Tschokkinen.--Urjanhai (talk) 08:08, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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