Talk:False Pretenses

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Requested move 8 October 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. If the other two films get articles, this issue can be revisited. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 20:56, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

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False Pretenses (1935 film) → False Pretenses – The WP:SMALLDIFFS between this film, the legal term False pretenses and the song False Pretense which redirects to the album Don't You Fake It can be handled via hatnotes. Alternatively, if this film is deemed as too obscure for a standalone title, then it can at least be moved to False Pretenses (film) since the unnecessary False Pretenses (film) disambiguation page lists only this film and two redlinked films with no bluelinks. If articles for one or both of the redlinked films are ever created, the dab page can be restored. It may be also concluded that both the film title False Pretenses and the song title False Pretense should be redirects to the legal term False pretenses. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:40, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

• Are we sure that False Pretenses (2004 film) is less likely than the 1935 film? In ictu oculi (talk) 22:06, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
  • We are sure that, as of this writing, False Pretenses (1935 film) is the sole film that both bears this exact title and has a Wikipedia entry. Thus, according to standard practice, it should not be disambiguated beyond the qualifier "(film)". Even "(film)" may not be needed if consensus decides that there are sufficient WP:SMALLDIFFS between the film and the legal term. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Ironically GBooks throws up False Pretences (1974 film) British spelling for a US film. False Pretences. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:34, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Entries for the 1974 film in Russian Wikipedia and Czech Wikipedia describe it as a Canadian film, while its entry in Italian Wikipedia specifies its provenance as Canada, Stati Uniti d'America. Canada-related Wikipedia entries have been inconsistently rendered with both British spelling and American spelling. However, even if someone creates an English Wikipedia entry for the 1974 film and / or the 2004 film, there is still the question of whether "False Pretenses" (and the song "False Pretense") with uppercase "P" should redirect to the legal term "False pretenses" or whether hatnotes would suffice (see Wikipedia talk:Article titles/Archive 26#Capitalization of article titles). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:32, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

It turns out that I confused the 1974 film with the 2004 film. All the links and references in the initial sentence of the above posting are for the 2004 film. As for the 1974 film, IMDb lists it as an American production, but provides no details other than the name of the director, Andrew Noren. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:01, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

• Conditional support Only if none of the other movies are notable. If one of them is, then just make a stub, rendering this disucssion totally moot._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:39, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
• Move False Pretenses (film) to base name since as noted there are other films so it seems like the DAB at the base name is safest. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
• Comment. It should be noted that the text within the nomination, "the unnecessary False Pretenses (film) disambiguation page lists only this film and two redlinked films with no bluelinks", was correct at the time of posting but, since then, two redirects have been created, the first one redirecting False Pretenses (1974 film) to Andrew Noren and the second one redirecting False Pretenses (2004 film) to Peta Wilson, thus creating the impression at the False Pretenses (film) dab page that those two are not merely WP:DABMENTIONS, but that Wikipedia actually contains entries for them. However, the 1935 film continues to remain the sole Wikipedia entry bearing the exact title False Pretenses. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:41, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

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