Talk:Every Nation for Itself

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Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was to merge with Every Nation for Itself. WhinyTheYounger (talk) 23:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

I propose to merge G-Zero world into Every Nation for Itself. The term G-zero is unique to Bremmer and his work, plus the consulting practices of Bremmer's company, Eurasia Group. Examining the references in G-zero world, it is apparent that discussion of the idea is limited to either a) the works of Bremmer or his company b) pieces talking about Bremmer. A quick Google search for the term shows only articles that directly involve Bremmer; the topic is not treated as an independent notion worthy of research in itself. Some of the references mention the concept of G-zero, but again, in reference to Bremmer and this book specifically. Thus, it would make the most sense to have G-Zero world simply be a part of this article, which would have the added effect of creating actual content about the book, as opposed to the rather bare-bones state it's in right now. WhinyTheYounger (talk) 21:25, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Adding overview of how references in G-Zero world discuss the subject. Note that besides the things written by Bremmer himself, all of these sources date to 2011 or 2012, with little WP:SUSTAINED interest thereafter. Later sources I found in Google were limited to interviews and articles by Bremmer as well. The sources as of now:

Source 1: Eurasia Group's own consulting materials
Source 2: Short NYTimes blog, just pulls a quote from Bremmer's Foreign Affairs article
Source 3: Short Barron's post noting that Bremmer has phrasing "G-zero" in this book, which he also used in a Davos panel
Source 4: NPR Podcast featuring EG partner speak about the idea and this book
Source 5: This book
Source 6: Brief mention of the subject in the context of above-mentioned Davos panel
Source 7: Telegraph article that makes one mention of the term in the bottom paragraph, although the editor seems to have wanted to include the term in the title. Just basically "Ian Bremmer uses this term"
Source 8: One mention of "G-zero," specifically as the "latest vogue phrasing from the commentator Ian Bremmer"
Source 9: Article by Bremmer
Source 10: This is the only example I have seen so far that engages with the idea critical on its own terms. Its author appears to have a professional relationship with Bremmer; his firm, Intellibridge, was purchased by Eurasia Group.

In short: I cannot find sustained treatment of this term as a subject worthy of discussion on its own. References to it are incidental or rely largely on Bremmer or his partners. It does not appear to impact subsequent research or academic work, and is linked inextricably to this book. WhinyTheYounger (talk) 21:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

I agree, G-zero is a Bremmer/Eurasia Group buzzword. We can't use any of Bremmer or Eurasia Groups stuff under WP:ABOUTSELF either as he’s shamelessly self promotional. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

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