Talk:European Graduate School

Redundancy

This is writing style issue. The second paragraph in the lead section and the stand-alone paragraph in the "Status" section contain verbatim text (italicized below). Verbatim writing is lazy, makes for bad style, and is not appropriate for an encyclopedia.

Lead Section

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It is recognised as a university institute in the Canton of Valais where one of its two campuses is located,[3] but does not hold federal recognition as a university in Switzerland.[4] It is accredited as a university in Malta.[3] In the US, the State of Texas includes the European Graduate School on its published list of institutions that issue "fraudulent or substandard degrees" and notes that it is illegal to use an EGS degree to obtain employment within the state.[5]

Status Section

EGS is licensed as a university in Malta[22] and is recognized in the Swiss canton where it operates,[23] but is not recognized by the Swiss University Conference, the main regulatory body for universities in Switzerland.[4] In the US, the State of Texas includes the European Graduate School on its published list of institutions that issue "fraudulent or substandard degrees" and notes that it is illegal to use an EGS degree to obtain employment within the state.[5]

-- Solarmancer (talk) 05:24, 24 August 2018 (UTC) — Solarmancer (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Please read WP:LEAD; the lead is not redundant. Jytdog (talk) 06:48, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Non-contentious import of faculty from French Wikipedia pages.

Hi there In order to improve the accuracy of this article I would propose that we add the faculty members from the French site. link is below. I also propose that we change the sentence: Existing: Teaching is mostly remote, with required attendance for short periods at the school; ad hoc meetings in various cities also take place.[12]

Addition: Theses are required and are supervised by the faculty. 

Note: A thesis is required, as spelled out on the EGS page, but as this is a "primary" source, I am not sure it qualifies as a reference?

I propose to add all the faculty from the French pages that have references to the list of notable faculty. https://fr.wiki.x.io/wiki/European_Graduate_School#Professeurs_associés_célèbres

That is add them to this list if they are not already there, and if they are, add the additional references: (change to bullet points?)

Notable faculty members have included Giorgio Agamben,[13] Chantal Akerman,[14] Pierre Alféri[15] Judith Butler,[16] Achille Mbembe,[17] Avital Ronell,[18] and Sandy Stone.[19]

I hope this is not contentious at all and does not bring up any memories of what seem to be bitter battles of the past.

References

Serenest (talk) 17:24, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

yes we are staying away from using the school's website as a source; doing so just turns this page into a proxy for their website.

The "famous associated faculty" thing is not straightforward, as you are aware from past discussions here. There are lots of people who have guest taught maybe once, and it is not reasonable to list them with people whose main teaching appointment is there. The list at fr-WP makes no distinction and that sort of thing was already rejected here, as you know. Jytdog (talk) 18:22, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree this is already well discussed. I have reviewed the history and am prepared to escalate based on these three items: one Texas list is mention is misleading, two, there should be reference to faculty supervision of thesis, that is the whole point of a graduate school, and the list of faculty should be as appears on the French side, provided there is adequate documentation. No sense continuing here. No animosity, but this page is substandard, and imho, these changes would improve it. cheers Serenest (talk) 22:21, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Whatever. Two of issues you raise have been beat to death; what you are most likely to get out of re-opening them yet again is a topic ban. on the third issue; yes it is common as dirt for faculty to supervise theses and it is not even worth saying. Jytdog (talk) 22:37, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

The European Graduate school is no university

There is no campus at all in Saas fee and otherwere. In Malta got the EGS her approval, after the Swiss Universities did not recognize her. The picture in the article does not show the European Graduate school. It is taken from the from a brochure of the Hotel Allalin in Saas Fee and shows some rooms. They are part of the Conférence center of Hotel Allalin. [1]. The insertion of the picture was fraudulently. There was a similar article in the German wikipia. It was deleted in 2012. --Nordlicht3 (talk) 08:55, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
[2]

Here is the link of the officially accredited "Hautes Ecoles" (incl. Universities) in Switzerland : https://www.swissuniversities.ch/fr/themes/etudes/hautes-ecoles-suisses-accreditees.

Obviously, the EGS is not part of it – it cannot therefore, legally, call itself a "University" (which is a protected denomination under the LEHE). The page should reflect it. 130.223.244.68 (talk) 12:15, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

This is already reflected in the article, which states "EGS is licensed as a university in Malta and is recognized in the Swiss canton where it operates, but is not recognized by the Swiss University Conference, the main regulatory body for universities in Switzerland". Cordless Larry (talk) 12:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)