Talk:Economy of Indonesia

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Where is the source that per capita GDP has returned to pre-crisis levels? This seems contradicted by CIA World Factbook entries for 1997 ($4,600) and 2005 ($3,700). 18.251.5.70 06:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

You are listing the purchasing power per capita. The actual GDP per capita of Indonesia is about $1,200, which is higher than it was before the Asian Economic Crisis.

Could someone update the numbers of the people below the poverty line? According to Antara news the total number of people in Indonesia below povery line is 16.6%:

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Coordinating Minister for People`s Welfare Aburizal Bakrie has projected that the poverty rate in Indonesia dropped to 15 percent, in view of intensified efforts laid down in the 2008 Draft State Budget to eradicate poverty in Indonesia.

"We hope that by implementing the programs on improving the life of poor people, the poverty rate could be brought down to less than 15 percent," the minister told a press conference at the Office of Coordinating Minister for Economy in Jakarta on Thursday.

The total number of the poor in Indonesia dropped by 16.6 percent, or 37.17 million in 2007, while their number in 2006 reached 39.3 million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dennis7091 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

data

Indonesia	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002								 
Workers' remittances, receipts (BoP, current US$)  (mill)	166	130	229	346	449	651	796	725	959	1,109	1,190	1,046	1,259			

--World Development Indicators 2004

Article cleanup

Most of this article is based on one Indonesian based web page overcited regularly in the article - there is little neutrality in the information provided - there is need for considerable cleanup SatuSuro 13:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

As an additional note, many GDP and industry value figures from Badan Pusat Statistik website are "Atas Dasar Harga Berlaku", or "at current market price". Calculation of real growth needs to factor out inflation from the figures, which is currently not done in this article. Derianto (talk) 03:58, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

A graph and table of gdp components would be good

This would also help clean up the article and make it more concise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.65.30 (talk) 16:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

ITC external link on trade data

Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC). I would like to propose the addition of an external link that could lead directly to the specific country’s trade data held by ITC. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 1) ITC is part of the United Nations 2) No registration is required 3) Trade data (imports/exports) are regularly updated 4) The link gives direct access to the trade database of the specific country 5) The addition of reliable trade data to the Economy section of the country could provide an appropriate contribution to the information therein contained. Thank you for your attention.Divoc (talk) 19:07, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

GDP figures

Indonesia's GDP is NOT 1.2 trillion dollar and GDP per capita is NOT $4015 (look at the miswritten statistics below)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.139.85.141 (talk • contribs) 8 June 2011

hindu user making nonsense edits in indonesia articles

A hindu person by the username merbabu has made nothing but negative edits in indonesia related articles. he has repeated the same picture and all his edits in indonesian articles have been to remove any positives and exaggerate the negatives. please do this biased editing in your indian cities articles and not in indonesia related articles. all outdated reference put by this user need to be double checked. Though i must say that the putrid conditions of indian cities is really terrible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WutUdPwYMZo— Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.110.149 (talk) 18:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Please refrain from Personal attacks. If you think another image would be better to illustrate economic challenges, please feel free to make suggestions here. --Elekhh (talk) 22:49, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Unbalanced

I changed the article's rating from B to Start class as is largely incomplete and unbalanced. Some suggestions for improvements:

• The history section should start with the situation at the moment of gaining independence, not in the 1970s;
• Foreign trade should be comprehensive, not only about the US;
• The informal sector is highly significant in Indonesia and should be included;
• The challenges section should address sustainability problems relating to the depletion of environmental capital (fossil fuels, forests, marine resources)

--Elekhh (talk) 22:49, 9 June 2011 (UTC) --

Before the 1970s, the economic conditions were particularly bad, so to mention that as you suggest would be “biased”. We need more discussion about skyscrapers, malls, and freeways, with accompanying galleries to make the article more neutral. Discussion of the environment must focus promote Indonesia as the world’s most amazing tourist destination, and not make “negative spam” about degradation of resources. ;-) Otherwise I agree (really) with your assessment above. Cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 00:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Got your point and also tagged now the article as unbalanced. --Elekhh (talk) 01:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Devious interpretation (and actually a little incorrect too)...

The following is actually an example of biased and twisted interpretations:

”However, in the 1980s oil glut, the GDP per capita shrank 20% from 1980 to 1990 and by 13% from 1990 to 2000.[9]’’

There’s two problems with the above – the first and more minor issue is that both facts are slightly incorrect according to the source provided (and I've removed them for that reason), but the second more insidious problem is the selection of dates. Clearly the writer has chosen otherwise arbitrary points between which there was an *apparent* poor performance – thus exaggerating the negative. Of course the opposite could be true if we carefully selected specific points between which we could exaggerate the positive.

It would be a good idea to graph all that data between 1965 and 2006. I’ve just done it in Excel but do not know how to insert that into Wikipedia. Perhaps most importantly the source shows that in 1965 GDP/capita was $53 and in 2006 it was $1594 – that's almost 3000% increase (and it doesn't include the 5 years to 2011). That’s in vast contrast to two decades of decrease as the article suggested. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 04:10, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

You could generate a simple graph from that excel table, and than export that into JPG. We should be careful however with GDP. Looking to an economy like that of Indonesia through the lens of GDP alone can be very misleading. See Gross domestic product#Limitations of GDP to judge the health of an economy. To exemplify, just look at the GDP growth after the 2004 tsunami [1], how nice that "the reduced agricultural production in the region has been largely offset by reconstruction spending" - fantastic! --Elekhh (talk) 04:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

To generate GDP from 1965 to current is big effort and should be appreciated.

The first thing should be remember that Apple should be compared to Apple, it means the same GDP from one source (for example either IMF or World Bank and not mix both of them). Some years might be missing and it will make very high or down growth with the previous years. War, high inflation, recession, reformation will make high increase or decrease growth. To analyze growth, we should use year by year data in at least a decade. I have made contribution before with title Annual average GDP growth to reflect that not China has the high GDP growth, but other countries, but the article has been redirected and said will be combined, but they are gone. Please be carefull to serve the data and also to interprete and then make a judgement. It is better the data available although might be the data are not perfect rather we lose the data and lose the track, but certainly don't propose the trivial data. Thank you so much for your attention.Gsarwa (talk) 13:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Tables are wrong!!!

According to this source (2012)

Labor https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2048.html agriculture: 38.9% industry: 22.2% services: 47.9% (2012 est.)

GDP https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2012.html agriculture: 14.4% industry: 47% services: 38.6% (2012 est.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.74.95 (talk) 12:58, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

External link to market access data

Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC), a UN/WTO agency that aims to promote sustainable economic development through trade promotion. I would like to propose the addition of an external link (http://www.macmap.org/QuickSearch/FindTariff/FindTariff.aspx?subsite=open_access&country=SCC360%7cIndonesia&source=1%7CITC Market Access Map) that leads directly to our online database of customs tariffs applied by Indonesia. Visitors can easily look up market access information for Indonesia by selecting the product and partner of their interest. I would like you to consider this link under the WP:ELYES #3 prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 1) ITC is part of the United Nations, and aims to share trade and market access data on by country and product as a global public good 2) No registration is required to access this information 3) Market access data (Tariffs and non-tariff measures) are regularly updated

Thank you, Divoc (talk) 08:12, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

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Branching of agriculture into a separate article

Currently, Agriculture in Indonesia redirects here. I don't know why - Indonesia is one of the world's major agricultural producers of a number of products, and the vast differences in cultivation methods as well as preferred crops across the archipelago could easily fill an independent, well sourced article. In fact, even nations that aren't major agricultural producers often have their own "Agriculture of (place)" article. I don't mind trying to kick start such a project, but I certainly hope that others would pitch in. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:58, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

@MezzoMezzo: actually, Indonesia's agricultural sector seems to be so big that there are quite a few subarticles for the crops individually. But indeed, the current section sentence dealing with agriculture is rather disappointing, even for a summary of spinoff articles. - HyperGaruda (talk) 20:57, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Let's do this. Gunkarta  talk  22:29, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

I've separated, rewrite and expand the Agriculture in Indonesia article, feel free to add and contribute, Cheers. Gunkarta  talk  08:35, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

@Gunkarta: Wow, just wow! You've done an amazing job in creating that article :o - HyperGaruda (talk) 09:36, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Whoa, I second that! It's an amazing job, I'm going to jump over there now but honestly, I'm not sure how much else needs to be done. Great work! MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:39, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

@HyperGaruda: @MezzoMezzo:, Thank you guys... Cheers...  Gunkarta  talk  07:14, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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The export section seems incomplete as it only has one section, automotive, and that doesn't seem to be upto date. RJFJR (talk) 13:21, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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Inflation data structure

It would be better if the inflation numbers are expanded to show numbers not only for 1 year but for the past and future, not just 2017. Example 2017 through 2019. This would give a better situational overview of the country's economic standing while at the same time not using up too much infobox space. Yes, it might be too early for that but they are forecast estimates and it would be better to have more rather than less information. KREOH (talk) 09:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Request for answer

I want to update GDP figures to the latest ones. Attempts to update with this source [2] seem to get repeatedly reverted by one person with unclear reasoning. Tried at user's talk page but no consensus was reached and seems user has moved on editing.KREOH (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Davidelit: I've asked twice that you discuss this matter. Instead you deleted the talk back on your userpage. I'm going to go ahead and make the change I've described above. If you revert without responding here, then I'm going to have to file a complaint against you at ANI for disruptive editing by reverting without discussing.— KREOH (talk) 03:31, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Make your changes if you feel you have a reliable source. I will not respond to demands or threats. I will leave it to others to make any changes to your edits. Davidelit (Talk) 03:36, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

It really doesn't make much sense to show inflation rates (or most other economic statistics of this kind) to 3 decimal places. This is false accuracy because (a) there are various ways of measuring inflation anyway, and (b) the underlying data do not really allow accuracy to 3 decimal places. In fact, it's not clear whether one should have any decimal places at all. All we can really say on the basis of the data shown here is that inflation in Indonesia is "around 3%". So if inflation data is going to be posted at all, it would be best to just show a whole number without any decimals. (I should mention that I realise that inflation figures in Indonesia are often quoted to 2 decimal places. This approach, however, doesn't really make sense. We should not encourage Indonesian statisticians to persist with this practice.) Pmccawley (talk) 03:52, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

considering that response - and who it is coming from - I believe there is a clear case for leaving it alone - as in [3] - as for WP:NPA it is very important to realise that making threats can actually leading up to being WP:BLOCKed before you can count to 10. JarrahTree 04:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks to Jarrah Tree for support. The truth is that when we are told by Bank Indonesia or the BPS (Central Bureau of Statistics) that the "inflation rate is 3.47%" in the last 12 months, all we really know is that the inflation rate across Indonesia is "probably more than zero% and probably less than 10%". It's not really possible to say much more than that. After all, we are trying to measure changes in the value of a basket of goods bought in (1) Aceh, (2) Jakarta, (3) Irian ... and several dozen other places across the nation. Further, in truth, the "basket" of goods that people buy in these different places varies greatly. Thus all we can do is make a rough guess at something called "inflation." It's usually silly to attach decimal places to this kind of measre. Pmccawley (talk) 05:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

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Sumber data perkapita

Saya menggantinya karena World bank menggunakan estimasi tahun 2020 sehingga saya memakai sumber IMF yang memantau pertumbuhan hingga tahun 2022 sekarang mungkin apa penyebab anda menggunakan sumber dari world bank? Aldijumar (talk) 04:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Can someone update the "GDP by provinces" table?

Update it from 2019 to 2021 or 2022. Thanks.

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