Talk:Ecclesiastical court

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Um... could someone knowledgeable in this subject rewrite the second paragraph:

It is important to note, however, that the above reference is to a book published in the early 1900s. In 1917 the first fully codified Code of Canon Law was issued (courts worked on decretal and precedent law before that), and a total revision of that was published in 1983, so monumental changes have taken place in procedure and statute since the above article at New Advent was written

It isn't at all clear to me what it is talking about, (what "book published in the early 1900s"? what is "New Advent"?). Further, it is self-referencing the article, (discussing the accuracy of the first paragraph). If there is something wrong with the first paragraph, then it should be rewritten. Thanks, func(talk) 18:04, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

New Advent is an on-line Catholic encyclopaedia.NRPanikker 20:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

When do contentious cases go to congregations? The congregations have the power to authentically interpret the laws within their sphere of competence, but once they do the Rota still has to apply the authentic interpretation to the case, unless I am mistaken. Pmadrid 23:15, 29 July 2005 (UTC)aa

history section

I think this very important page is in need of a history section, which addresses the changes in jurisdictional scope and struggles of over ecclesiastical courts over history, especially from Reformation through modern secularization. When, and under what historical contexts, ecclesiastical courts ceased to exercise jurisdiction over the laity is important. Also early modern struggles regarding autonomy of cannon law versus the subordination of ecclesiastical jurisprudence to civil authority.

Also,what about the church courts of presbyterian Scotland?

And in in general, it might be useful to touch on the fate of cannon law and ecclesiastical courts in other Protestant countries: in many cases elements of cannon law were maintained or blending with civil adjudication, in others the claims of pre-reformation church courts gave way to the state or civil law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.21.77 (talk) 17:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the above author. The treatment of the historical structure of the ecclesiastical courts is pretty interesting, but rather limited without an examination of their history.76.105.243.168 (talk) 15:52, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Agreed! This article suffers a bad case of presentism. The lead does say " In the Middle Ages in many areas of Europe these courts had much wider powers than before the development of nation states.", but this thought isn't developed at all. Also, characterizing Ecclesiastical courts as "having jurisdiction mainly in spiritual or religious matters" is not very helpful, because different legal systems draw the line between religious and non-religious matters in different places. For example, family law (marriage, divorce, etc.) in some jurisdictions are considered religious matters. Under the Ottoman Empire, each religious community had its own courts, even for common crimes. etc. --Macrakis (talk) 17:09, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Reassessment

This article has far too much unsourced material and fails the B-class criteria. It has had a polite career tag (needs additional citations for verification) since November 2013. Reassess Wikipedia:WikiProject Anglicanism assessment to C-class. -- Otr500 (talk) 08:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)