Talk:Early Modern Irish

Merger proposal

I propose merging Classical Irish into Early Modern Irish. Classical Irish is just a literary form of Early Modern Irish, and a merger does not cause any article-size or weighting problems in Early Modern Irish. John Smith Ri (talk) 13:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 20:08, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Terrible Article; Needs Total Rewriting

This article is an absolutely terrible introduction to the subject of Early Modern Irish and (especially) the literature of the period. The grammar section looks fine (to me, a non-linguist), but everything else is totally focused on English conversion efforts and Elizabeth Tudor's passing interests. The vigorous tradition of Irish-language poetry from the Early Modern period (which fills up the bulk of this massive Gaelic anthology) is totally absent, as is master prose stylist Geoffrey Keating. It's fairly clear that whoever wrote the non-linguistic sections of this article had never read a book on the topic.

I'm well aware that I'll need to gather sources to do this; this post is intended as a notice of incoming major changes and to enlist anyone else who wants to improve this article. Definitely post suggestions below. DuxEgregius (talk) 23:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC) DuxEgregius (talk) 23:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I have no experience with Celtic languages, but good luck! Frzzl talk · contribs 08:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@DuxEgregius: you are right, the focus on early Scottish Gaelic print and some focus on early Irish print has pretty much nothing to do with Classical Gaelic literary tradition. Description of the bardic poetry is lacking, as is Keating as you mentioned, but also Stapleton, Conry, and other writers of the period. There are also annals and other historical and legal texts written in that period.

I am intending to overhaul the section but am not as familiar with the literature myself to feel comfortable doing that (I have the right sources though, so I can certainly improve it) and I’ll need some time to do that. Maybe I’ll just start by listing published texts available to the public and places where one can find the edited poetry.

Regarding the grammar section – it’s OK, but still very superficial. In the meantime, on the web, there are notes on Classical Gaelic grammar I’ve been writing elsewhere and the Léamh.org website available to interested people. And the Classical Gaelic chapter in Stair na Gaeilge (since recently available to be borrowed on archive.org) – but that requires one to be able to read technical Modern Irish.

The problem is – I feel – that there aren’t really Wikipedia editors knowledgeable in that period of Gaelic (there are some people with good insight in Old Irish, ones competent in Scottish Gaelic, some with decent Modern Irish – but from what I’ve seen Classical Gaelic is a sort of dark spot not covered by anyone – and by some considered so uninteresting that it was actually removed from Wiktionary as a separate language a decade ago, I’ve been trying to bring it back and got some support, but so far no admin has acted on that). Silmethule (talk) 12:00, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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