Talk:Duchy of Estonia (1219–1346)

this is yet another funny article on WP. No sources whatsoever and it shows. Needs to be rewritten, I'm not going to tag it or anything yet though, going to take it up as time permits. --Termer 08:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Once upon a time, a troll created a long series of articles detailing "former countries" in Estonia, such as Duchy of Estland, Estonia (1917-1918), Republic of Estonia (1990-1991), Estonian SSR (independent), and others. WikiProject Estonia fought hard to get the mess sorted out, and people like Petri Krohn used every trick in the book to make it as hard as possible. (Just take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Estonia (1990-1991) for a small taste.) I guess we just missed this one.

The appropriate action is deletion via AFD. If there's anything worthwile in it, it should be merged into History of Estonia first. Digwuren 15:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, it took more than a year but I finally made it and managed to overhaul the article a bit. Added the sources and fixed the text accordingly.--Termer (talk) 08:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

PS. The map still needs to be changed, there was no Livonian Confederation in 1260.--Termer (talk) 08:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Flag

The idea of the Danish flag as the official flag of the duchy of Estonia is quite disputable. If we ignore all the legends surrounding the flag, the earliest recorded depiction of it is sometime between 1340 and 1370. Since Denmark gave up Estonia in 1346, depicting the flag here is quite far-fetched. Also, the king might have used his flag in battle or aboard ships but to speak of it as a flag of an administrative area seems somewhat anachronistic. --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 01:12, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Agree, using Dannebrog in the context of the duchy of Estonia doesn't make much sense. Other than perhaps when the island of Saaremaa was part of Denmark later on. But in general no harm done if the flag is going to be removed from the infobx I think.--Termer (talk) 03:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Off topic

Removed this offtopic text. maybe can be used elsewhere. Minnekon (talk) 12:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

In 1559 during the Livonian war the Bishop of Ösel-Wiek in Old Livonia sold his lands to King Frederick II of Denmark for 30,000 thalers. The Danish king gave the territory to his younger brother Magnus who landed on Saaremaa with an army in 1560. The whole of Saaremaa became a Danish possession in 1573, and remained so until it was transferred to Sweden in 1645.

In 1559 during the Livonian war Frederick II of Denmark bought the Bishopric of Ösel-Wiek from Prince-Bishop Johannes V von Münchhausen. The possession was given as an appanage to Magnus, Herzog von Holstein, the brother of Frederick II. Denmark ceded Wiek (Läänemaa) to the Polish-Lithuanian Union in exchange for Livonian possessions in Ösel. In 1572, Ösel was transferred to direct administration by Denmark. In 1645, it was ceded from Denmark to Sweden by the Treaty of Brömsebro.

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