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Panorama

The pannorama is outdated, there should be an updated panorama of Dubai, as of now Burj Dubai is close to its completion and is fully claded as well and some other skyscrapers which have to date risen above are not present in this panorama. The heading wont work wiht out content regarding it !

Nabil rais2008 (talk) 19:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Flag

The picture of UAE flag is wrong. Please correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.111.1 (talk) 11:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

That's the Dubai flag, not the UAE flag. It is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.96.194.146 (talk) 11:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

New montage needed?

The Dubai Picture montage is heavily outdated, plus it doesn't shows the most important landmarks of the city. Please update it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.185.98.197 (talk) 17:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Haaretz talks about Dubai

This Israeli site: [Haaretz] is from the newspaper Haaretz and talks about the Dubai's desert bubble.Agre22 (talk) 13:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC)agre22

Collapse of dubai's economy?

There was an article in NYT and a photography feature in Fast Company.. read this:

“ Today, an estimated 50% of the slated developments are frozen or canceled. Banks have stopped lending. Housing prices fell 41% in the first quarter of 2009 and are expected to drop to preboom levels. The stock market has plunged 70% from its peak. And people across the socioeconomic spectrum are being laid off -- and fleeing -- in droves. But even fleeing is harder than it sounds: When foreigners, who once made up perhaps 80% of Dubai's 1.7 million residents, lose their jobs, their work visas are rescinded and they generally have 30 days to pay their debts and leave. Those who fail to pay risk debtor's prison. And debt here is now as deep and ubiquitous as the sand itself. ”

I completely defer to the judgment of this article's contributors and won't be making any edits to the article proper, but I would like to see this mentioned more prominently - at least in the Developments page. Obviously those articles are rather one-sided and the whole world has been hit by the recession, but Dubai's fall seems particularly spectacular. It would be great if people inside the country could offer their perspectives here on the talk page to gauge whether this story has merit. .froth. (talk) 00:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

you realize if people inside the country confirm this they'll be deported or imprisoned right?159.83.54.99 (talk) 00:17, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

There is also an article in the Independant about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Mysterious Gamer (talk • contribs) 19:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

"Judicial rulings in Dubai with regard to foreign nationals. . ."

The first sentence of the last paragraph of the "Governance and politics" section is kind of a mess; I tried to fix it but I couldn't figure out quite what was intended. The idea seems to be something like: "The Dubai judicial system's treatment of foreign nationals has received international attention due to two incidents: in 2007, a 15-year-old French-Swiss nationa [etc.]; and in [year?], migrant laborers, most of whom are from India, were imprisoned [etc.]." Currently, the non-parenthetical use of two em-dashes is a bad idea; it makes it sound like the two events were the same. Chick Bowen 19:55, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Prostitution as a main reason for tourism?

I disagree with the next sentence:

Dubai's lure for tourists is based mainly on shopping and prostitution, but also on its possession of other ancient and modern attractions

No doubt there is prostitution in Dubai, but I think saying prostitution is one of the main tourism attractions of Dubai is inaccurate and offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.229.235.45 (talk) 21:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

The section on the economy has a statement, with references, that "prostitution is conspicuously present". Try having a look at the references there. DJ Clayworth (talk) 22:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the "and prostitution", which was added by the same user responsible for edits such as this. To address the point itself, I don't think that prostitution being "conspicuously present" is enough to establish that the prostitution is a main attraction for tourists. –CapitalLetterBeginning (talk) 12:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

International incidents

In the 2000s, Dubai was a central place for some pretty big international incidents. So I'm surprised there's still no such section. Noted cases are:

1. The kidnapping and then smuggling of the Israeli Elhanan Tannenbaum (2000), by order of the Hezbollah.
2. The assassination of the Lebanese Suzanne Tamim (2008), by order of a prominent Egyptian's son.
3. The assassination of the Palestinian Mahmoud al-Mabhouh (2010) - currently still under investigation.

Such a section should deal with the factors that led Dubai to the middle of all these cases (i.e. being an international business key point). 109.64.199.46 (talk) 14:07, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

NPOV dispute [Human Rights]

I don't think the human rights section maintains a neutral point of view. It is just a piece of Dubai bashing and does not give any details about Human Rights laws. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winjay (talk • contribs) 18:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Since nobody has said anything, I solved the dispute myself.Winjay (talk) 11:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Winjay

Questions

I will use this section to add questions/suggestions.

• One of the sources says, "Dubai has no taxes of any kind on onshore or offshore activities." It goes on to say that Dubai doesn't even have a tax department. Is this true?
• Weather: "Sunny days can be expected throughout the year." This can be said of most places that sunny days occur throughout the year (except for the North and South Poles). Do you mean most days are sunny? Also, when it rains in Dubai, does it just rain, or are there storms?

Xtzou (Talk) 14:52, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

There is no income tax. There is also no tax department. But there are some forms of sales tax and custom duties. See [1]

I live in Dubai. Most of the days are sunny. It rains (usually lightly) only in the winter months, sometimes with storms; even in these months, most of the days are sunny.

Winjay (talk) 13:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Dubai/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following a request for Good Article reassessment. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 20:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguations: fixed one disambiguation.[2]

Linkrot: fixed one and tagged two deadlinks.[3]

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   It appears that some major faults found in the FAC review have been addressed although, I think a copy-edit by an independent editor would be good.

   reported that prostitution in clubs is tolerated by authorities  ?

   Reply Clarified wording. This is reported by a PBS Frontline episode. This is the reality versus what is professed. Xtzou (Talk) 15:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

   The result of sewage dumped into storm drains is that it flows directly into the Persian Gulf, near to the city's prime swimming beaches. ?

   Reply This has been reworded to "Sewage dumped into storm drains flows directly into the Persian Gulf near to the city's prime swimming beaches." This is the state of a country ripped into the 21rst century. Xtzou (Talk) 15:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

   Etisalat uses a proxy server to filter internet content that is deemed to be inconsistent with the values of the country, that provides information on bypassing the proxy, dating, gay and lesbian networks, pornography, sites pertaining to the Bahá'í faith and sites originating from Israel. Confusing

   Reply. Fixed with some creative punctuation. Xtzou (Talk) 15:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

   The penal code also contains some provisions; Really? What provisions?

   Reply. Fixed by adding pornography from the source. Xtzou (Talk) 15:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

   Dubai has 33 sister cities, and most of the twinning agreements have been done post-2002 Have been done?

   Reply"have been made after 2002." Xtzou (Talk) 15:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

   Emirati culture mainly revolves around the religion of Islam and traditional Arab, and Bedouin culture. Being a highly cosmopolitan society, the UAE has a diverse and vibrant culture. Contradictory statements.

   Reply Fixed. Reworded. Xtzou (Talk) 15:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

   Plans called for a dedicated road between the current Dubai International Airport and the new one, but currently progress is stalle Why?

   Reply Fixed. - stalled by unspecified "challenges", according to an Emirates spokesperson. Xtzou (Talk) 15:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

   Please get this copy edited and reworded for clarity.

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Two dead links found and tagged, some references don't have publisher or publication date details.

   ref #84 [4] doesn't appear to be RS; also #94 [5]; book references need page numbers;

   Reply The two dead links are not dead but are "server timed out" links. Since the are government links that did work previously with no problems, I would like to make should that this is more than a temporary problem before removing them. However, I commented them out, along with the info they referneced. Removed ref 84 along with the information. Ref 94 is not a book. Xtzou (Talk) 15:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

2. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

3. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

4. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

5. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Images appear OK

6. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   On hold for seven days for above issues to be addressed. ––Jezhotwells (talk) 21:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

   OK, the major issues have been addressed, but the prose could do with a throrough copy-edit. I am happy to let thuis remain as a GA. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 21:02, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I am the GA reviewer that passed this article and I feel guilty that it has to have a reassessment. I don't think the article's editor knows, so I have notified him.

• Dead links - Could you identify them? I only see two servers that timed out at [6] and since they worked until very recently, this most likely is temporary. I thoroughly went through the references over and over when doing the review.

I'll check them again tomorrow. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 22:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• Some links do not have completely information, such as author for example, or location or date, but if you look at them they appear ok. I figured in my review, since this is a GA review and not a FA review, that some slack could be cut for references that appear neutral and authoritative but do not have complete referencing information for a country like Dubai. None of these references are sourcing controversial information. Best regards, Xtzou (Talk) 21:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

References need to be attributed, some are just straight html, need author, publication date and publisher as appropriate. Books need page numbers, some are not RS as per above. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 22:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think any are bare urls. I can remove all the info plus the references that are inexplicable timing out today. Should I do that? Also, I can remove the information plus the links of any you deem unreliable. I spent a lot of time on the references, and they have all the information available on them. So tell me which to remove. Xtzou (Talk) 22:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

• Reply. I have addressed all your concerns, and removed information and links where necessary (or commented them out). I hope the result is satisfactory. Xtzou (Talk) 15:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing these things. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 21:02, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Photo Montage Replacement

Hi! The photo of the skyline of Dubai that I have selected is more appropriate to the article. The article is about the city of Dubai itself, not the buildings in Dubai and locations in the surrounding metropolitan area as the montage suggests. I would like to switch the montage of buildings to an actual complete skyline view of the city. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.224.84.185 (talk) 01:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. The skyline picture provides a unified context that the montage lacks. A picture of a human, rather than separate pictures of a head, two arms, a left leg and right foot, is what I would put in the human being article. The montage lends more of a "travel brochure" feel, not one that's very suited to an encyclopedia. Badger Drink (talk) 07:56, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

GDP

Dubai's gross domestic product needs to be updated, Dubai's GDP in 2005 was 37 billion or something like it, so why we shoudnt update it ???

Nabil rais2008 (talk) 08:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I suppose what's preventing us at present is a reference. I had a quick look just now, but the sources I found all spoke about percentages. Could you try and find a recent reference? I'd suggest it should be from a respected newspaper or magazine (or their website, naturally!) For what it's worth, I had a quick look at Khaleej Times and Arabian Business: the former had figures for 2004 (and projections for 2009, but we should avoid those), and the latter only dealt with percentage growth.

Cheers, TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 09:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I've tried before to find updated figures, but i found nothing. I think the latest figure was the 2005 figure. Mainly all i found were estimates for the 2010 figure, which is when their will be a nation wide UAE census. --MoHasanie  Talk  19:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Well i have found the figures but they are in Dirhams as well as it is an expected figure for 2010.

Nabil rais2008 (talk) 10:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Dirhams is fine, but we need actuals, not projections - so 2008 would be fine, but not 2010. We could add the 2010 projections to the current actuals, however. Something like "Dubai's GDP in 2001 was X; it is expected to be Y in 2010".

Getting back to Dirhams, I'd argue that that's the best currency to use - but we should also convert to US dollars (and/or Euros?), using the exchange rate applicable at the time of the survey - e.g. for 2001 GDP we'd use 2001's Dirham/Dollar exchange rate.

Cheers, TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 15:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't quite work that way with many Middle Eastern economies. Currency is usually "pegged" against the US dollar at a set rate, which doesn't change. In the UAE's case, 1 US$ is approximately 3.675 AED. Adjusting historic financial data for inflation is a different issue though. As far as projections are concerned, I'm fine, pending validation of the source of the projections. I agree that the sentence should be structured along the lines suggested by TFOWR ("As of 2008, the GDP was...and is projected to be...in 2010."). AreJay (talk) 17:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done I have updated it to the latest values from Dubai Statistics Centre.Winjay (talk) 10:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Reassesment?

I think this article deserves a reassesment. It is certainly not a C-class article. --MoHasanie  Talk  15:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

C sounds about right to me. Read Wikipedia:WikiProject_Dubai/Assessment#Quality_scale .froth. (talk) 19:46, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I have improved the article, and with the help and suggestions of Xtzou, it is now rated GA class. Winjay (talk) 10:27, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Twin cities

There is no evidence that Dubai and New York City are twinned/sister cities. Please show appropriate evidence or remove the said info.Avman89 (talk) 06:08, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Some people seem to assumed creative license and added any and every city into this list. Could someone please do a reference check to see if this list is accurate? AreJay (talk) 17:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I have added a reference which states that Dubai and NY are twinned. Winjay (talk) 10:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Persian Gulf vs. Arabian Gulf vs. Gulf

I've noticed that these terms get changed and reverted fairly frequently.

I appreciate that "Persian Gulf" may be contentious within the Middle East. I appreciate, too, that "Arabian Gulf" is also contentious outside the Middle East. To further stir up problems, the two articles are different - "Persian Gulf" is an article, and "Arabian Gulf" is a disambiguation page.

Could I therefore propose the following:

• Links are made to "[[Persian Gulf|Gulf]]" - this will display as Gulf, and take the user to what I believe is the correct article (feel free to correct me, however...!)
• Non-links are simply replaced with "Gulf" - I believe "Gulf" is unambiguous in this context.

How does that sound? Will it keep both sides happy?

Cheers, TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 17:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree with your reasoning. Persian Gulf is the only actual article. So the community has spoken on the issue in that sense. Xtzou (Talk) 18:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Would you be happy piping "Persian Gulf" to "Gulf"? (So that the article linked to is Persian Gulf, but the reader simply sees "Gulf"? TFOWR^{This flag once was red} 18:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I think that is a better peaceful solution. Its really hidious to read the word Persian Gulf. Thanks a lot Amin891 11:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amin891 (talk • contribs)

 Done I've made the changes:

• I've linked to "Persian Gulf" once in every section; this reduced the number of links, but may still be too many.
• I've put HTML comments around "Gulf War" advising editors about the policy on neutral editing. Since the article is called "Gulf War" I see no reason to change this to read either "Arabian Gulf War" or "Persian Gulf War". There have been very few "Gulf Wars" and they all took place in the same "Gulf" - there's no need to disambiguate.
• I've not put HTML comments around "[[Persian Gulf|Gulf]]", nor have I put comments around "Gulf". I would encourage other editors, however, to discuss changes here, on the talk page, before editing.
• I've probably missed some...!

Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 12:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I have reverted your edit per WP:AT. The standard name of that body of water is Persian Gulf, which is what the title of the main article is. You can not change the standard name though piping or otherwise, NPOV does not apply when it comes to standard common geographical names in English. What you are doing is a violation of Wikipedia guidelines and polices on the geographical namings. Please do not repeat this in the future. Kurdo777 (talk) 06:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Because I felt the above-noted change might be controversial, I publicised it fairly widely, at the Wikiprojects for UAE and Dubai and at the talk pages of any editors who had edited the article recently. Consequently, I feel that bandying around terms like "violation" and asking that a good faith edit not be repeated - when it should be clear from my post on your talk page I am prepared to discuss the change - is not entirely appropriate. You have reverted the change, and have now joined the discussion - good. That's all that was needed. I can assure you that if I was a non-neutral editor wanting to slip this past other editors I would not have posted on your talk page, nor anywhere else for that matter. Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 10:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Incidentally, we are now left with the issue of handling Gulf War; I had changed it to [[Gulf War]], currently it's piped to "Persian Gulf War" ([[Gulf War|Persian Gulf War]] which seems odd. There are also several more over-links now. Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 10:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

So now we are back so square zero .. It is still Persian Gulf( Ahh this makes me nauseated saying this word). The user "Kurdo777" is completely bias towards Persia and all his changes are not for the sake of the terms of Wikipedia it is all because of his unjustified hatred towards Arabs. Amin891 07:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amin891 (talk • contribs)

I partly agree with you. It seems that Kurdo777 is Iranian and supports the name "Persian Gulf", while you seem to be against it. The fact is that there is a dispute between Arab Countries and Iran on this issue. Most international organizations use the name "Persian Gulf". There has been strong opposition by Iranians when some of these organizations used the name "Arabian Gulf". Since most international organiztions use the term "Persian Gulf", I propose we can settle with the same for Wikipedia. Winjay (talk) 11:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)A few thoughts regarding the various policies that may or may not apply:

• The article "Persian Gulf" is (in my opinion) correctly titled per Wikipedia:Article titles (and in particular WP:AT#Treatment of alternative names) and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) - however, we're not discussing a name change to that article - we're discussing what text to use at Dubai.
• I'm not currently seeing anything in policy to prevent a pipe link - I believe that pipe links should be avoided when they would introduce confusion or be disingenuous (for example, the following contrived examples would not be acceptable: [[Dubai|New York]] or [[English Channel|Gulf]]).
  • In this case I believe "Gulf" is unambiguous, and piping "Persian Gulf" to "Gulf" would be entirely OK - but, absent longer discussion, there may well be guidelines/policies that haven't yet been indicated.

Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 11:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

"Gulf" sounds ambiguous. But "Gulf War" is commonly used and is a better alternative to "Persian Gulf war" Winjay (talk) 11:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Gulf War is the name of the article, too (though a recent edit here piped it to "Persian Gulf War").

Would you be OK with "Gulf" under any circumstances? For example, if the first occurrence in a section was, say, Persian Gulf ("Gulf") or [[Persian Gulf|Persian Gulf (Gulf)]]? Or do you think Persian Gulf is the only option we can justify with policy (thus holding back the hoards of non-neutral editors)?

My only real concern is stopping the constant search-and-replace edits that end up changing "Gulf War" to "Persian Gulf War" (or worse: change "Persian Gulf War" to "Persian Arabian Gulf War"...)

Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 12:02, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I think using "Persian Gulf" for the gulf and "Gulf War" for the war at all occurrences is the best option to solve the dispute as the names match with the actual article names. Winjay (talk) 12:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

...and it has the added advantage of annoying both sides ;-) Cool, I'm happy with that. Cheers, TFOWR^propaganda 12:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

 Done I have made the changes and added a comment. Lets hope it won't be changed again. Winjay (talk) 13:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The intro

I feel like the introduction does not state the reality of what is going on in Dubai right now. Truth of the matter is that the real estate bubble burst, construction on most projects has been stopped, luxury hotels are mostly empty, Dubai is bankrupt (although it got bailed out by Abu Dhabi), and not to mention slave labor...These are important aspects of the city of Dubai which need to be mentioned in the introduction. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.27.210 (talk) 20:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

It is important for articles to maintain a level of stability. Some of the information on the stock market crash needs to be included in the Economy section (in summary style), but not in the intro. The harsh labor conditions aren't unique to Dubai, they exist in all Arabian Gulf countries and cities, including Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. AreJay (talk) 17:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I think you perhaps meant to say Persian Gulf I got confused for a second lol but yea, the slave issue is very important and its a major aspect of the city of Dubai, it was built on it. And also, many are predicting that the city will pretty much be a ghost town soon (as in all these major projects will lose investors and no one will by these properties). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.28.253 (talk) 20:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

:) "Arabian Gulf" is an oft-used misnomer in that part of the world to mean countries that are in the Arabian peninsular. You're right, the accurate term would be Persian Gulf. AFA the ghost town comment, not going to happen. I've lived there long enough to know that at the end of the day, Dubai is a trade based economy...it will not be quite as glamorous as it is now, but it will survive. You just have to look at other mid-level cities in that part of the world (Manama, Muscat, Sharjah, etc) to see that they're able to sustain mid-level economies. As I said before, the term "slave labor" isn't NPOV, so I hesitate using it. I'm open to a term that is more neutral. Thoughts? AreJay (talk) 16:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The initial commenter here is completely right. In particular, it's amazing that a prognostication from a real estate-driven regional investment bank claiming there will be a 20% upwards price correction made it into the intro of this article. Many markets will probably show some correction, and as Europe is showing right now it's as likely to be down as up. Regardless of which occurs, Wikipedians shouldn't try to predict the market. Take this claim out -- it's unbelievable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.102.26 (talk) 13:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I would like to commment on the Arabian Persian" Gulf section of both your comments. If we are to talk about dubai I would recommend using Arabian Gulf instead of Persian Gulf cause no need to act surprised when referring to the Arabian Gulf as Arabian Gulf. I will not write Persian Gulf under any circumestances cause that body of water should not and will not be called that "misconstrued, misfigured, and defective" term. No offence to any persian ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amin891 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Map

This article seems to be about both the city and the emirate, the map is of the city only. It should at least include a map of the emirate as well IMHO. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/File:Map_of_Dubai_blank.svg Should it include both maps? Should the article be split in city and emirate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.78.165.201 (talk) 09:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I have changed the map to the one you have mentioned as it shows clearly the political boundaries of Dubai. Winjay (talk) 10:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Twin cities

I had a quick look through the article and found that there is town of Cheb on the list of twin cities. It surprised me because I am thinking why the small Czech town of population of under 35.000 should have a twinning agreement with such a big city alongside Paris, Osaca, Caracas etc. Therefor I went through the links below the article to find out and honestly there is Cheb on the list at www.dubaicityguide.com, but there is not a mention about this matter at www.mestocheb.cz which is official web page of the town and it says there are only 3 twin towns (Nižnij Tagil (Russia),Rheden (Holland) and Hof (Germany). It means I simply don't believe that Cheb is a twin city(town) to Dubai and the informations at http://www.dubaicityguide.com/site/features/index.asp?id=3149 are not correct. Somebody should find out I think. --StaraBlazkova (talk) 21:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Meetup in Dubai

Anybody interested in planning Wikipedians meetup in Dubai? --Saki ^talk 14:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Categories

Mentioning it here in case anyone's curious, and because WP:HotCat ddidn't give me an opportunity for an edit summary: I removed a couple of categories, as they were "parent categories" of Category:Dubai, so the article is implicitly in those categories already. TFOWR 08:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

The World is sinking: Dubai islands 'falling into the sea'

Telegraph.co.uk - By Richard Spencer, Dubai 9:30PM GMT 20 Jan 2011

But the World, the ambitiously-constructed archipelago of islands shaped like the countries of the globe, is sinking back into the sea, according to evidence cited before a property tribunal. [...] Now their sands are eroding and the navigational channels between them are silting up, the British lawyer for a company bringing a case against the state-run developer, Nakheel, has told judges. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/8271643/The-World-is-sinking-Dubai-islands-falling-into-the-sea.html Steve Harnish (talk) 01:15, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

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An article on Dubai the emirate and an article on Dubai the city

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Dubai Municipality

How many square miles/square kilometers does Dubai Municipality cover? I imagine this is an administrative division and local government apart from the emerati government, correct? This distinction needs to be made clear in the article. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:36, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Come on. Someone must know the answer to this. Is Dubai covered by an associated local government, and if so, how many square kilometers in size is it within the emirate? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:47, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Pollution

I would recommend knowledgeable users to comment on the water pollution due to poor sewage treatment and construction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.39.210.22 (talk) 15:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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Sources

• Molavi, Afshin. "Sudden City." National Geographic. January 2007.

WhisperToMe (talk) 22:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Controversy

Please read this article from the independent. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html?a=1 This Arab state is not all glitter and gold. This article desperately needs a controversy section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.254.52.68 (talk) 19:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. If nothing else, its worth noting that the economy would collapse were it not for for the omnipresent slave labor. Powrtoch (talk) 19:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Did not see any mention of connections of various terrorist organiation and incidents to Dubai Redhanker (talk) 19:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

YES, this should be included with the very best of wording. TangoFett (talk) 05:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Founder not Hamdan

The founder mentioned in the infobox is Sheikh Hamdan, which is the Crown Prince, but not the founder. Thanks for correction — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.226.134.7 (talk) 23:32, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Inconsistency -- "city-state" or not?

Quoting from the first paragraph of this article:

"Dubai...is a city-state in the United Arab Emirates, located within the emirate of the same name. ... Dubai is nowadays often misperceived as a country or city-state....”

Evidently even Wikipedia misperceives it as such! So which is it? Is it a city-state or not? --Captain Quirk (talk) 08:30, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

It is not a city-state, it is a city and emirate, meaning it's autonomous but within a state. It's more like Washington DC than Singapore.--RM (Be my friend) 05:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Travel advisories

11 months in prison for having sex without being married

There have been several cases where people having sex without being married have been sentenced to 11 months in prison. Warning those who considers going to Dubai against having sex is important. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/18/dubai-woman-raped-jailed-extramarital-sex/2554045/ Joreberg (talk) 08:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

One month in prison for drinking alcohol without having a license

There should be an explicit warning against drinking alcohol in Dubai, since the punishment is about one month in prison. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/18/dubai-woman-raped-jailed-extramarital-sex/2554045/ Joreberg (talk) 08:53, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Danish Foreign Ministry warns against reporting rape to authorities in Dubai

The Danish Foreign Ministry advises women who have been raped in Dubai to not report this to the authorities in Dubai immediately. Rather, they shall contact the official Danish representative in Dubai. The background is that several foreign women who have reported being raped in Dubai have been imprisoned themselves. http://jyllands-posten.dk/international/mideast/ECE5736313/danskere-skal-vente-med-at-anmelde-voldtaegt-i-dubai/ Joreberg (talk) 09:26, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a travel service. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 10:09, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

The part about 11 months in prison for extramarital sex fits well in under "Dress and etiquette".

The part about 1 month in prison for drinking alcohol would fit well together with the part about strictly enforced drug laws.

The recommendation about not reporting rape to the police fits in under Human rights.

These issues are important to mention, since they illustrate large cultural differences between Dubai and most other major cities in the world. This is important information not only for tourists, but for the general set of Wikipeida readers.

Joreberg (talk) 14:12, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

We do not insert every incident that hits the newspapers into top-level country articles. For example, note the lack of mention of Trayvon Martin in United States or the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy in Denmark. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Nobody here has suggested that "every incident that hits the newspapers" should be included in top-level country articles. That would of course make these Wikipedia articles become useless. Protesting against something that nobody has claimed is a waste of time, space and energy.

The top level Wikipedia articles on Denmark and USA have several references to news articles, referring e.g. to Politiken, New York Times, Reuters, Time Magazine, The Guardian, CNN, CBS, Daily Mail, Chichago Sun Times and others. Information that is provided by a news service is NOT automatically disqualified from being used in Wikipedia.

The Muhammed cartoon incident was an isolated incident. In contrast, people are imprisoned time after time in Dubai for extramarital sex or alcohol consumption, and time after time raped women are put into jail. A comparison with the Muhammed cartoon is therefore not relevant. Muslims and Christians are mostly living peacefully together in Denmark. A one-off incident is different from a well established pattern.

The Trayvon Martin case illustrates the high crime level in USA, as well as ethnic conflicts and discrimination. Such issues are covered well in the Wikipeida article for USA, e.g. by reference to the high crime rate, the high rate of imprisoning for male African Americans, Ku Klux Klan, Martin Luther King Jr and so on.

The Wikipedia article on Dubai should follow the example from the Wikipedia article about USA and include important information that is typical for Dubai and deviates strongly from most other parts the world. USA has a very high rate of imprisoning, and this seems to a large degree to be related to ethnic issues, therefore this is mentioned. Dubai imprisons people for reasons that are very different from most of the rest of the world, therefore this must be mentioned.

Joreberg (talk) 10:31, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, then find a couple sources that say "Dubai imprisons people for reasons that are very different from most of the rest of the world..." You can't state that and just give links to examples as that would be synthesis. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:27, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I have received a PM from NeilN. The PM starts with these words: "Please stop using talk pages such as Talk:Dubai for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article; not for use as a forum or chat room."

I am not using this talk page for "general discussion of the topic". I have made some very concrete suggestions for issues that should be included in order to improve the article, and after the protests from NeilN I have provided very concrete reasons for including this information.

Joreberg (talk) 12:32, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

You did not receive a PM (private message) from me. I posted on your talk page, which can be seen by everyone. And I added that after your initial post here, which only consisted of links and travel warnings. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Please, add this link to article

• Current time, sunrise and sunset today+Dubai map (in English)

Iranians

Ummm, Iranians/Persians who comprise around 25% of the population and form the second most richest group after the emiratis arent mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.31.195 (talk) 03:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

QE2

I don't believe "queen elizabeth 2" ship should have a subtopic as part of "cityscape". I suggest removing this subtopic and adding it as part of the general information. If you have any issues state them here. Inspironss (talk) 13:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit has been done as no objection was stated. Inspironss (talk) 19:26, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Dubai Emirate vs. Dubai Municipality

I noticed that the page on the actual city/municipality of Dubai is very sparse. It has no infobox, and lists neither the city's population or area in square kilometers. But, this article actually seems to switch between refering to the area as the emirate and then the "region" or city. For instance:

According to the census conducted by the Statistics Center of Dubai, the population of the emirate was 1,422,000 as of 2006, which included 1,073,000 males and 349,000 females.[60]

The region covers 497.1 square miles (1,287.4 km2).

When it says "the region covers 497.1 square miles" are the article obviously isn't talking about the emirate, but it leaves one to wonder if that is the size of the city proper/municipality, or if you are then talking about the metropolitan area. We need it explained somewhere on the page the difference in population and land area between the municipality, the metropolitan area, and then the emirate. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Anyone? This is an important distinction that needs to be made if there is a difference between the city and state. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

The very start: This article is about the city. Dubai is one of the seven emirates... Seemingly no-one understands what this article is about. The result is that Dubai Municipality refers to Dubai as to emirate. I think this article should be about the city and needs to be merged with Dubai Municipality. Dubai (emirate) (which is 4 times bigger than the city) needs a new article, just like Abu Dhabi and Abu Dhabi (emirate). --Figure19 (talk) 05:47, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Did we ever get an answer for this? It seems that that the emirate borders and the municipal borders are conterminous, meaning they share the same borders. The only different may be that the municipality only has service authority over the urban portion of the emirate while the emirate provides services outside of the urban portion. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Archiving

Unless anyone has any objections, I'd like to go ahead and archive these discussions, since the talk page has become difficult to navigate. If there are active discussions, please let me know, and I'll hold off archiving until the discussions are complete. I plan to start archiving this page on 7/18. Thanks AreJay (talk) 05:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I added the User:MiszaBot I script to this page, so it will be automatically archived. All discussion older than 90 days will be moved to the archives. Vanjagenije (talk) 12:47, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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Human rights section

I'm not quite sure how the talk page is supposed to work, but I wanted to make a note that the content of the "Human Rights" section seems like it does a poor job of reflecting the content of the main "Human Rights in Dubai" article. First of all, the former is more about the UAE than Dubai, and the content only concerns the placement on the IHRRI report, followed by a listing of "percent ratings" in various categories. I'm not quite sure what the percentages themselves mean from reading the section. The main article, on the other hand, mentions issues like self-censorship, foreign labor injustices, and freedom of expression, among others. I don't know enough to even guess how accurate or representative it is, but it certainly gives an entirely different impression than the "Human Rights" section. 98.121.183.186 (talk) 20:39, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Removed excess data, and put back some relevant information for this section. Winjay (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Dubai Panorama

I found this panorama of Dubai Creek, and i think that its gives a good view of the city.

A panoramic view of Dubai Creek

Please, sign your posts (wp:sign). Vanjagenije (talk) 22:44, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree it is a great picture, showing visually how it fits along the coast, unlike the photo of the Dubai skyline, not showing the waterline. Then, of course, the intense reader like myself can see the picture here in TALK. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:38, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

New NEWS today, for future editing

This will be big news/development for Dubai and UAE.

Headline-1: Dubai says launching project to build world's biggest mall

• http://news.yahoo.com/dubai-says-launching-project-build-worlds-biggest-mall-124214949--finance.html

QUOTE: "Dubai is launching a project to build an entertainment and hotel district that will include the world's largest shopping mall, the emirate's ruler, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, said on Saturday. Plans for the "Mall of the World" project were originally revealed 18 months ago, helping to trigger a strong rally in Dubai's real estate and stock markets." -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:48, 5 July 2014 (UTC) -- PS: FYI for future editing.

Headline-2: Dubai says launching project to build world's biggest mall

• http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/07/05/emirates-dubai-mall-idINKBN0FA0DU20140705

QUOTE: "Saturday's announcement appeared to indicate that substantial work on the project would now begin, though the statement did not say when construction would be completed, how much it would cost or how it would be financed." -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 17:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC) -- PS: FYI for additional future editing.

Odd claim

"In the 1820s, Dubai was referred to as Al Wasl in British documents." Umm, no it wasn't. I have the 1822 marine survey of navigation of the Gulf of Persia in front of me now and it refers to Dubai as 'Debaye' and refers to it as being inhabited by several hundred of the members of the 'Beniyas tribe'. Interestingly, the document says Sheikh Tahnoon of Aboothabee had just recently taken possession of the place. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:45, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Early history

I've redone some of the early history, taking out some confused statements and 'facts' not borne out by the cites. Dubai, for instance, was not a signatory to the 1820 Maritime Treaty with the British - it didn't exist as an independent entity until the Al Bu Falasa fled Abu Dhabi (not Al Ain, a curious claim not borne out by the cite) in 1833. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:24, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Twice as true?

"Kissing in public is strictly illegal and can result in deportation, kissing in public is a crime punishable by deportation."

Hey, why stop at two? Repeat it a third time in the same sentence to live up to Wikipedia's reputation for editorial excellence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.118.75.173 (talk) 13:52, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Drowning in debt

I took the liberty of removing three assertions placed in the header by an IP user who had previously tried to insert these into the United Arab Emirates article. They were: 1) Dubai suffered from a significant economic crisis in 2007-2010 and was bailed out by Abu Dhabi's oil wealth (the whole world suffered from an economic crisis in 2007-2010 and bailouts were flying. It doesn't make it into the header of every city's Wikipedia entries though). 2) Dubai's current prosperity has been attributed to Abu Dhabi's petrodollars. (Absolutely and patently not the case and not borne out by the cited text at all) 3) Dubai is currently in extreme debt. (Apart from the cite being a blog post, define 'extreme debt'. The US national debt is $17 trillion, but that doesn't make it into the header of the Wikipedia entry on the USA.)

By all means, let's have balance. But wild assertions without factual basis do not balance provide. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Does the article need the 'etymology' section?

It's full of wild speculation with not a single cited source. Everyone's putting forward their granny's favourite explanation, but the fact is there's no recorded origin of the name Dubai. So why have the unsupported assertions and theories? The last line in the section says it all... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandermcnabb (talk • contribs) 08:50, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree--88.104.133.87 (talk) 16:28, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Town?

Not sure if there was a discussion on this before, but why exactly is Dubai classified as a "town" on Wikipedia, when it has over 2 million inhabitants? Is this a local administrative classification? Several much smaller urban areas (such as Omaha, NE) seem to be classified as cities on Wikipedia.

I'm inclined to agree that Dubai would be considered a city under typical conditions. Dubai is referred to as a city by the ruler and the municipality as well, according to Sheikh Mohammed's site which cites the publication Dubai City, by Dubai Municipality, Imprint Emirates Publishing & Advertising. I can't find many (or any, rather) references referring to Dubai as a town. There is an apparent distinction between town and city in the UAE, or at least the Emirate, as Hatta is described as a town. I'll change the article to reflect this. Elspamo4 (talk) 05:17, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

City it is - an Alpha+ global city, in fact. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Global_city And yes, Hatta is a town (and Lahbab, Awir are townships if not villages). Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:14, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Climate table vs climate chart

Any reason why the climate is specified as a table instead of a climate chart? The climate chart can show metric as well as non-metric units.

This is the format: {{climatechart ...}} More info here: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Template:Climate_chart

I agree--88.111.129.157 (talk) 14:25, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Timeline of Dubai

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:28, 19 May 2015 (UTC) Hiya. Bunged in some stuff, will come back and do more. Cheers. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:15, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Separate emirate and town page

All the other UAE emirates are like that.--88.104.132.120 (talk) 23:05, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I disagree.--88.104.133.87 (talk) 16:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I can't agree, either. Someone has swung by and moved other Emirate pages so that there is a 'City' and 'Emirate of City' structure - for instance, Sharjah and Emirate of Sharjah and Ajman and Emirate of Ajman. This has resulted in weak Sharjah and Ajman pages and TBH I can't be bothered to unravel the consequent muddle. It'd be infuriating if Dubai went the same way. Like the others, Dubai is both a city and an Emirate and really could do without being tagged 'Emirate of Dubai'. Nobody, but nobody who lives in these places, BTW, ever calls them 'Emirate of Fujairah' or 'Emirate of Abu Dhabi' and the earlier convention of having an Abu Dhabi (Emirate) page seemed elegant enough to me... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:02, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

There is an Emirate of Dubai and a Dubai Municipality article. The city of Dubai is located in and under the jurisdiction of the Emirate of Dubai, which in turn, is governed by the Municipality of Dubai. It is no different than US cities which are under the jurisdiction of their county, the subordinate of the state. It seems quite redundant considering the only city in the Emirate of Dubai is the city of Dubai; the other communities in the Emirate merely appear to be districts of this city. Nonetheless, in an administrative sense, it would be incorrect to refer to the city as the Emirate simply because it is the seat. I am unsure whether there exists a similar system of governing for other Emirates (such as Sharjah or Ajman). Elspamo4 (talk) 13:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Dubai consists of the city and emirate, including the inland exclave of Hatta (traditionally the summer home of Dubai's families, Abu Dhabi has Al Ain, Sharjah has Dhaid etc, basically everyone escaped inland when the summer sun was hottest). The Emirate, in all cases, is governed and led by the city, the ruler of each emirate rules emirate and city alike. The police force of the city is that of the emirate. All of the emirates are governed in the same way, with both Federal laws and municipal laws in place. Municipal legislation can often differ from emirate to emirate, so Dubai has a Roads and Transport Authority, for instance, which regulates transportation throughout the emirate. Ajman also has an RTA, but Sharjah doesn't. If that all helps at all! :) Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:39, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info about the other Emirates. Are you sure that the Emirate of Dubai is governed by the city? The city is the capital of the Emirate (the equivalent of the county seat), so doesn't this infer that the the city is technically a subordinate of the Emirate in the hierarchy of administration? Middle Eastern municipal governments are so hard to make sense of. Elspamo4 (talk) 15:47, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

There is also http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Hatta,_United_Arab_Emirates in the Emirate but not City of Dubai--88.104.141.108 (talk) 20:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

But Hatta is governed & served by Dubai Municipality. I'd sort of prefer Dubai and Dubai (Emirate) rather than Emirate of Dubai as both are called Dubai. There are other towns in Dubai, such as Awir and Khawaneej, although both are in danger of being subsumed by the ever-expanding city. And then there are villages such as Lahbab which are in the Emirate but not city of Dubai. I suppose I just don't like the syntax Emirate of Dubai or Emirate of Sharjah because that's simply not what they are. They're Dubai emirate and Sharjah emirate. Which is a bit nit-picky, I know... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:17, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you Alex--88.104.138.119 (talk) 19:12, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Is this the reason that movement protection has been put on?--88.104.138.119 (talk) 13:43, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

• How are we going to handle this then?--88.111.129.157 (talk) 12:15, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

  I think this is a big issue that needs to be handled.--88.104.132.1 (talk) 12:08, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Burj Al Arab image nominated for deletion

The file currently in-use for Burj Al Arab runs afoul of the Freedom of Panorama laws in UAE. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 12:46, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Merge discussion

I think that Emirate of Dubai and Dubai Municipality should be merged with this article.--Iady391 | Talk to me here 23:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Oppose. Dubai is only the capital city of the Emirate of Dubai; there are also other cities and settlements in the Emirate. In turn, the Emirate (i.e. all of the settlements) is administered and provided with its public utilities by the Dubai Municipality. If I were to put it into US terms, the Emirate of Dubai is the equivalent of a 'county', Dubai is its 'county seat' and Dubai Municipality is the 'county council'. (or state, whichever you prefer). Elspamo4 (talk) 23:11, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@Elspamo4: I think they might be coterminous like Manhattan. by Iady391 | Talk to me here 21:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

@Iady391: I'm not really sure what Manhattan's local government is like, so I can't comment on that. But if I understand what you correctly, you are saying that DM, EM, and Dubai are one in the same? I'm not entirely sure if this is accurate. Please correct me if I am misconstruing your argument, but this is a bit like claiming that the Capital Governorate is coterminous with Manama, Ankara Province is coterminous with Ankara, etc. I can find some countries where the city is coterminous with the highest level subdivision, e.g. Tokyo or Riyadh, but they still have lower subdivisions (regions for these two examples). In this case, you may be right about the Emirate being coterminous with the city, but I am certain that Dubai Municipality should be a stand alone article.

As an addendum, having looked at the Dubai government website, Dubai Municipality has its own page on the list of government entities. I wasn't able to find one for the Emirate. Though I think Xosé makes a good point about the term 'Dubai' referring only to the metropolitan area of the Emirate, whereas the Emirate of Dubai encompasses the whole territory. Elspamo4 (talk) 00:24, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Elspamo4: I now agree with you about the Dubai Municipality, but it still seems like to me that the Emirate and 'Dubai' should be merged.Iady391 | Talk to me here 14:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Oppose. After reading something in the official webpages of the Government of Dubai (GD) and the Dubai Municipality (DM), it seems clear that DM is a branch of GD with jurisdiction on all over the Emirate. I couldn´t find any single mention to Dubai City except for some general phrases. I deduce that Dubai City doesn´t exist officially. On the other hand, the webpage of Dubai Statistics Center (DSC) offers information about the population by communities and sectors, according to the last estimated population (2013), the Emirate is divided in 9 sectors. Sectors numbers 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 seems to be urban because their population overpass 100,000 people. The rest of sectors have a lot less population -the most populated is sector 4 with 30,000 inhabitants, maybe urban too? It must be checked! So, when we talk about Dubai City, we talk about the urban sectors of the Emirate, BTW a part of Dubai-Sharjah-Ajman metropolitan area. My proposal is to maintain this page as the page of Dubai's metropolitan area. --Xosé Antonio (talk) 21:02, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

@Xosé Antonio: So what do you think we should do? Merge DM with GD? Iady391 | Talk to me here 21:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

@Iady391: In my opinion we may not merge any page. DM is a sort of department of GD with specific functions. --Xosé Antonio (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

@Iady391: Take a look at this document from DM: Dubai 2020 Urban Masterplan where the limits (in a general way) and the estimated area (about 20% of Emirate's area) of the urban area are established. --Xosé Antonio (talk) 22:38, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Oppose. Dubai is the name of Dubai city and the emirate alike. However, the emirate is not the city and the city not the emirate. Dubai Emirate is a significant land mass containing a large number of other settlements, towns and villages, including the exclave of Hatta and the inland towns of Awir, Lahbab, Madam and Laisalli. Dubai Municipality is the key municipal authority of Dubai, both the city and wider emirate. There's no reason to merge their respective entries I can see. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:06, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Oppose. Each city has separate governance/emirate and municipality articles, I fail to see why Dubai should be an exception. --Makeandtoss (talk) 19:57, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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Sister cities

I have suppressed Phoenix and Los Angeles in the list of sister cities, since they don't appear as such in Sister Cities International: see [7], [8]. I also replaced the reference for Detroit with the official sister city agreement, also provided by Sister Cities International: [9]. Sapphorain (talk) 22:41, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

I also suppressed Granada, which is not a sister city according to the municipality's official website (but sister city to Sharjah in the Emirates), [10]. Sapphorain (talk) 10:52, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

…And also Osaka, which is not either sister city, see the cite of its municipality [11]. Sapphorain (talk) 11:30, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

… And also Tehran, which is not a sister city, according to the website of Tehran's municipality: [12]. Sapphorain (talk) 12:51, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

… Same thing with Dundee, see [13]. Sapphorain (talk) 15:15, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

… And with Brisbane: [14]. Sapphorain (talk) 15:24, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

...For the time being, and since a "Refimprove" template has been here since January with practically no effect until yesterday, I am now suppressing Baghdad, Caracas, Damascus, Kish Island, Kuwait City, Monterrey, Moscow, San Juan, Puerto Rico, Tripoli, Karachi and Gandhinagar, for which no serious reference seems to be available on the web. Sapphorain (talk) 21:02, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Dubai City vs. Dubai Emirate

After being reminded of a question I'd asked years ago by the conversation concerning a merge, above, and now understanding a bit more about this, I'd like to leave some advice for the folks who regularly keep watch over this page of a way to clarify something. First, it needs to be stated plainly in some section - probably the "Government and politics" section - that the Dubai emirate has, if I understand this correctly - no administrative or municipal divisions. That is to say that there is no legal Dubai "city" in the sense of a local government or municipality/municipal corporation that covers just the core urban settlement. There is no city or local council that governs either the urban area or the emirate as a whole. This needs to be made very clear, because for a very long time I thought there was a seperate Dubai municipal corporation subordinate to the emirate governorment. What there is is the Dubai Municipality, which shouldn't be mistake for a municipal corporation; it sounds like it's little more than a government created office through which the emirate government administers the services for the emirte, rural and urban areas. It appears to be a service agency of the government. The emirate government and the "municipality" have a jurisdiction that is coterminous with one another (both cover the same territory, which is the entire emirate), the only real difference is that they do different things/have different competencies.

If this is correct, perhaps someone can clarify this in the "Government and politics" section. It almost seems a bit funny discussing merging the municipality page with this one given how little information is on the municipality page. You could leave that page as it is and simply add that information to this page or you could merge them; it doesn't really matter. In closing, please make sure to clarify that there is no division of the territory of the emirate below that level of government for administrative or municipal means. When population and area figures are given, there should be only one figure (unless the UAE also defines urban areas/settlements independent of administrative boundaries) since there is no difference between city and state. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:07, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

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What is this building?

Hi. Could someone help identify what this building is? Kind regards, Rehman 05:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

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Could someone please add this sentence into the article. I'm not sure where to put it.

Dubai is ranked 27th among global cities by Foreign Policy's 2008 Global Cities Index. (Kearney, Inc., A.T. "The 2008 Global Cities Index". Foreign Policy.)

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Pronounciation

The pronounciation part in the first sentence says "doo-BY". I think it should be changed to "doo-BYE" because with the current one people may pronounce it as "doobie". I tried changing it but it just changed back automatically. Aitch & Aitch Aitch (talk) 18:01, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Pronunciation

I notice there is only one pronunciation listed on this article but I hear the first letter pronounced as a J sound a lot more than a D sound. I imagine that a D sound is a lot more common in North America, but the J sound is a very common, if not the most common pronunciation in the British Isles, Australia and New Zealand and I believe it should be listed.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/dubai lists the pronunciation as /d(j)uːˈbʌɪ/ Bobbbcat (talk) 07:32, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2018

Please change the description of the Picture "Typical Bastakiya street in Deira" - to "Typical Bastakiya street in Bur Dubai" as Bastakiya is in Bur Dubai.

[[File:Typical Bastakiya buildings - panoramio.jpg|thumb|Typical Bastakiya street in [[Deira, Dubai|Deira]]]] should be: [[File:Typical Bastakiya buildings - panoramio.jpg|thumb|Typical Bastakiya street in [[Bur Duabi|Bur Dubai]]]]

Proof: Meta-Tags of the Image https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Typical_Bastakiya_buildings_-_panoramio.jpg show that is was taken in Bur Dubai. Shine (talk) 19:12, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: The location data is not consistent. One metatag gives a set of coordinates that Google Maps locates in Bur Dubai and the other says and another gives a set of coordinates that Google Maps locates in Al Souq Al Kabeer. Since the original file is no longer available, the location given in teh original description will have to suffice for now. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:00, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

It's definitely in Bur Dubai. Souq al Kabeer is on the Bur Dubai side as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.245.198.159 (talk) 20:08, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2018

Dubai is not the largest city. Sharjah is the largest emirate in the UAE. 103.12.8.2 (talk) 05:36, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Largest in what? Population? Area? Please clarify.  spintendo  06:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Unreliable Sources

What sources are unreliable on the page? The tag's hardly helpful... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:46, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

It was added by Saqib it looks like. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:53, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

I can't see a reason for the tag and the editor didn't explain it here as per WP:TC, so I'm removing it. If there's a reason for it, feel free to explain/replace though! Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:01, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Dubai City on Wikipedia

From the very beginning of the article very biased mentioning the criticism pertaining to the humans rights. Total unfairness pneglecting the UAE human rights role and people are by nature huminarians people. Please mention UAE role in human appeals, donation bring some authentic information based on in data and true statistics. Very young country achieving these milestones does really bother some others for some reasons Alzarooni79 (talk) 18:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Add trailing space 19 august 2018

Could someone with rights please add a trailing space at the end of the description (“one of the seven emirates that makes up the country. [references] “)? When asked about Dubai on an iPhone, the Siri “summary” contains the description, and two sentences of the first paragraph, without a space after punctuation. Topologicalinsulators (talk) 11:43, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

@Topologicalinsulators: I am not sure we should be making unnecessary changes in order to make Siri behave in particular ways, but is this what you mean? MPS1992 (talk) 16:02, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Human rights abuses

This is going to be controversial, so I thought it better to start the convo here rather than wait for someone to revert me before coming here. I'd like to change the line in the lede:

Dubai has been criticised for human rights violations against the city's largely South Asian and Filipino workforce.[15][16][17]

to

Companies in Dubai have been in the past been criticised for human rights violations against labourers.

Why? Well, for a start you can't really accuse a city for the actions of its private sector. You can accuse it of not doing enough to curb that abuse, but not of the act of abuse itself. Secondly, the sources all go back to pre-2010 - there's been a huge amount of positive change since then, including stamping out the wage abuse, improving regulation, accommodation, workplace safety etc etc. Hence, 'in the past'. And calling out the South Asians and Filipinos is a bit odd - what about the Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Malays, Nepalis? Rather than a race tag, let's just say labourers? FWIW, I'm not aware of any accusations of abuse against Filipino workers, who tend to make up the majority of staff in the retail sector rather than construction work, which is where the problems generally lay. And last but not least, cite [15] is archaic, [16] fails WP:V because it's a bottomless pit of archive and finding the piece being referenced is nigh impossible and [17] is a Gulf News piece about the lovely economy! I'm sure we can find more recent/relevant citations - but the current ones just won't do. What do we think? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:26, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Okay, here we go... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2018

On this page there is several References links are broken which very bad for our readers, so if you allow me to edit this so i can replace these References links to other relevant links. Elisasmith0342 (talk) 07:02, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. UA3 (talk) 09:35, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Remove old population figures

There's no need to reference 2009 population numbers when we have numbers for 2017. I'd like to use the latest figures for that whole section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.131.203.26 (talk) 07:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

This article is about the city, not emirate.

@Musicfan122: How can we omit the director-general of the municipality and I think the head of the municipality (who is a different person). OK, let's include the emir and the crown prince if you want. But how can we omit the DIRECT managers of the city? --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 07:08, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

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The climate figures in the weatherbox are incorrect.

@Musicfan122: The figures on the weatherbox are CLEARLY incorrect. A record high in january of only 27C? for Dubai???? Dubai regularly records 27C in January. My edit to copy the weatherbox data from the "Climate of Dubai" page was deleted with no good reason. --21:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC) @Musicfan122: The figures in the weatherbox do not match the figures listed on the dubai met office page, which is the listed source for the information in the weatherbox. Please explain your reasoning for reverting yet again to a weatherbox with incorrect figures that don't even match the figures on the cited source (meteorological office/ Airport of Dubai) website.

Moving Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Sharjah et al to 'Dubai City' etc

Hi guys. I see @Badass Flare: had tried to move these cities to 'Dubai City' etc and that @Rehman: and @Wikiemirati: had reverted these. I was very glad to see that, because I must confess I was dumbfounded at the attempted move. Is there any reason to talk this over or is there complete consensus against moving whole cities (capitals of emirates, at that) around and renaming them? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:53, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Alexandermcnabb. Echoing what I said to Badass Flare, the revert was done as per WP:COMMONNAME. Of course, anyone could start rename request to discuss a particular title in depth, and if there is consensus, a rename is very much possible.

P.s. A ping only works when you link the username and sign with four tilde, hence no pings were sent for this. Re-pinging the other two users as courtesy: User:Badass Flare, User:Wikiemirati. Happy editing! Rehman 03:49, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Dubai is not 8'th safest city in the world

According to the articles linked, Dubai is the 8'th safest city in Asian and African countries. Calling it the 8'th safest city in the world is therefore misleading — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.73.28.213 (talk) 20:06, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2019

Please add reference to https://www.pbsolutions.ae/uae-will-continue-support-businesses/ Amjathka (talk) 07:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:37, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Area of city versus emirate

Greetings. I just noticed that the area listed on the Dubai (city page) is the same as the area listed on Emirate of Dubai (emirate page). Both list the area as 4,114 km sq; however, the emirate page mentions there are other cities in the emirate. So they should have different area sizes.... - Hooperswim (talk) 14:47, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Following up: The 4,114 appears to be an over-inflation of the emirate's area. Per the Government of Dubai's website, the area of the emirate is 3,885 km2, and per Dubai.com, the city is 35 km2. The 3,885 number matches the Emirates of the United Arab Emirates, as well. Have updated the area numbers on both the emirate and city pages. Hooperswim (talk) 20:18, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

re-write needed

"Dubai summers are also known for the very high humidity level, which can make it very uncomfortable for many with exceptionally high dew points in summer. " Many people with very high dew points are uncomfortable. Kdammers (talk) 03:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2019

Please Change hyperlink of the reference "UAE Gears Up Ahead of Dubai EXPO 2020" from "https://www.shuraa.com/blog/2016/06/uae-gears-up-ahead-of-dubai-expo-2020.html" to "https://www.farahatco.net/blog/uae-gears-ahead-dubai-expo-2020/" Seofar (talk) 10:21, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Change hyperlink of the reference "UAE Gears Up Ahead of Dubai EXPO 2020" from https://www.shuraa.com/blog to https://www.farahatco.net/blog/uae-gears-ahead-dubai-expo-2020/ Seofar (talk) 10:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

{{declined} Neither is a WP:RS, and the correct answer is that neither is a Wikipedia-quality reference for anything and it should be removed - David Gerard (talk) 15:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

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undo explanation and suggestion

I just rolled back an edit which added, "Dubai not only host the biggest Shopping Mall and tallest building in the world but also the tallest Hotel JW Marriott located in Business Bay" to the Tourism and Retail section. I did so because 1) it does not fit with the context, which talks about markets, not hotels, 2) because it's unsourced, and 3) because it seems close to WP:PROMOTION.

However, if the largest hotel in the world is in fact in Dubai, then that's pretty cool. I haven't been able to find a good source on that yet (outside of an advertisement, and I think anyone is able to call themselves the "'superlative'-EST X in the world".

Jlevi (talk) 15:42, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Image captions

It would be nice if someone could add captions to the images in the infobox.-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 11:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Done.-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 23:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Area of Dubai

The area of Dubai City proper is unambiguous right now but the calculated area will be uploaded soon. The area of Dubai the EMIRATE is 4114 sq. km and the area of Old Dubai (specifically the ancient village area that made up dubai for decades and decades) is 35 sq. km. Stop updating it incessantly with the wrong information StarkGaryen (talk) 04:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

You need to provide a reliable source for that, per our verifiability policy. Using online tools to calculate the area is original research. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

there is a reliable source for that. the links cited clearly show the area tool that was used, the google maps (and conventional definition of the Dubai city limits) and a clear-cut verifiable photo which shows Dubai's area. stop revising the edits for no reason other than some dubious excuse of 'verifiability'. google maps is a rather reliable source and has been frequently cited on wikipedia. StarkGaryen (talk) 15:07, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

No, that's clearly original research. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:08, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Was Dubai territory of Ottoman Empire

Indeed 217.180.192.196 (talk) 17:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

It doesn't seem it was Nintentoad125 (talk) 07:33, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

No, at no period did it or any other part of the Emirates come under Ottoman rule, control or influence. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:30, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

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