Talk:Double-double

GFDL concerns

Do we need to note in the edit history that this page is a merge of Quadruple-double et al? Which articles wound up in here? —C.Fred (talk) 22:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like it was Double-double, Triple-double, Quadruple-double, and Five-by-five (basketball). I've added two null edits to mention them in the edit history. —C.Fred (talk) 21:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. I didn't think about this when I merge.—Chris! _ct 22:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. In theory, it would have been better to merge them one at a time for clearer tracking, but the sections are separate enough that I don't think it's a problem. —C.Fred (talk) 22:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I added notices to those talk-pages to alert editors about the merge.—Chris! _ct 23:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Good catch finding those templates! I've refined the notice box above to parallel the wording of {{Merged-from}} but put it all in one box. —C.Fred (talk) 23:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

History of the term (if it can be found)?

I think it would be useful to note when sportscasters first used the term "double-double," etc. The problem will be sourcing, unless ESPN or SI has a bit on it somewhere. If anybody stumbles onto a history of sportscasting, though, it would be worth looking at. —C.Fred (talk) 22:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Right, I will look. Hopefully, I can found some.—Chris! _ct 23:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I just added a ref for the origin of triple double. So, I guess finding source is not as hard as I previously thought.—Chris! _ct 23:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Material moved from article

• NBA triple-doubles with double figures in steals or blocked shots

Points, rebounds, blocks

• After the traditional points, rebounds, assists combination, this is by far the most common combination. It has occurred 46 times in the regular season in the last 22 years, for a rate of more than 2 occurrences per season. Several players have achieved this feat multiple times.
• Dikembe Mutombo (ten games)
• Hakeem Olajuwon (nine games, one was in his quadruple-double)
• David Robinson (nine times, one was in his quadruple-double)
• Shawn Bradley (six games)
• Marcus Camby (three games)
• Ben Wallace (two games)
• Nate Thurmond achieved this in his quadruple-double.
• Players with one occurrence: Mark Eaton, Manute Bol, Larry Nance, Benoit Benjamin, Shaquille O'Neal, Jermaine O'Neal, Andrei Kirilenko, Dwight Howard.

Points, assists, steals

• Fat Lever, March 9, 1985, Denver vs. Indiana – 13, 15, 10
• Clyde Drexler, January 10, 1986, Portland at Milwaukee – 26, 11, 10
• Kevin Johnson, December 9, 1993, Phoenix vs. Washington – 17, 13, 10
• Mookie Blaylock, April 14, 1998, Atlanta vs. Philadelphia – 14, 11, 10
• Alvin Robertson achieved this in his quadruple-double.

Points, rebounds, steals

• Larry Steele, November 16, 1974, Portland vs. L.A. Lakers – 12, 11, 10
• Clyde Drexler, November 1, 1996, Houston vs. Sacramento – 25, 10, 10
• Kendall Gill, April 3, 1999, New Jersey vs. Miami – 15, 10, 11
• Alvin Robertson achieved this in his quadruple-double.

Points, assists, blocks

• This has happened twice in the last 22 NBA seasons, and at least three times in NBA history; all known occasions are in fact quadruple-doubles.

Rebounds, assists, blocks

• This has happened twice in the last 22 NBA seasons, and at least three times in NBA history; all known occasions are in fact quadruple-doubles.

Rebounds, assists, steals

• Alvin Robertson achieved this in his quadruple-double. It is the only known NBA example of this triple-double combination.

Triple-double combinations that have not been achieved

• points, steals, blocks
• rebounds, steals, blocks
• assists, steals, blocks

—Chris!_c/t 01:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Special double-doubles

Special double-doubles are rare. Three main types are "double double-doubles," in which a player logs at least 20 in two of the five categories in a game, "triple double-doubles" (at least 30) and "quadruple double-doubles" (at least 40).

The quadruple double-double has only ever been achieved by Wilt Chamberlain, who performed the feat eight times when he played for the Warriors:

Date	Team	Opponent	Points	Rebounds	Overtime	Note	Reference
November 4, 1959	Philadelphia Warriors	Syracuse Nationals	41	40	No
January 15, 1960	Philadelphia Warriors	Boston Celtics	44	42	No
January 25, 1960	Philadelphia Warriors	Detroit Pistons	58	42	No	58 points are the most ever scored by a rookie
February 6, 1960	Philadelphia Warriors	Syracuse Nationals	44	45	No	45 rebounds is the NBA single game rookie record
January 21, 1961	Philadelphia Warriors	Los Angeles Lakers	56	45	No
December 8, 1961	Philadelphia Warriors	Los Angeles Lakers	78	43	Yes (3OT)	78 points was an NBA record at the time
October 26, 1962	San Francisco Warriors	Detroit Pistons	50	41	Yes (OT)
November 22, 1964	San Francisco Warriors	Detroit Pistons	50	40	No

"most players manage to record at least one [double-double] during a season"

Is this correct? The source doesn't seem to say anything about this. Zagalejo^^^ 05:32, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Removed—Chris!_c/t 06:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm also curious about this statement: "It should be noted that the criteria for an assist have been relaxed over time." The link (ref #9) no longer works. Some specific details might be helpful. For the time being, I think I'm going to remove the sentence entirely, because it doesn't really fit in the paragraph where it appears. Zagalejo^^^ 06:00, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok—Chris!_c/t 06:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Another thing: did Sports Illustrated really use "triple-double-double" as a synonym for double-triple-double? It's not clear where or when they did this. Zagalejo^^^ 06:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

They did call 20 of any 3 statistics "triple-double-double". I am not sure if it is a synonym for double-triple-double.—Chris!_c/t 06:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Is there a link I could take a look at? I interpret "triple-double-double" to mean 30 in two categories. Zagalejo^^^ 06:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[1]—Chris!_c/t 06:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Zagalejo^^^ 06:54, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Also: do we have colleges for the players who share the record for "consecutive triple doubles in a single [NCAA] season"? Zagalejo^^^ 06:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't know—Chris!_c/t 06:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Never mind; it was in the ref. (By the way, Robert Morris was supposed to refer to the college, not a player.) Zagalejo^^^ 07:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Overall, the article seems pretty good. The main hurdle is referencing. Some statements aren't clearly sourced to anything (eg, "Because of the rarity of the quintuple-double, the five-by-five has been recorded instead." –We'd need a source to establish causality.) Many of the other references have dead links, or no longer include the information they (presumably) did before (eg, 2008-09 stats tables from NBA.com.) Zagalejo^^^ 06:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Those statements may need be removed.—Chris!_c/t 06:50, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

"Because of the rarity of the quintuple-double, the five-by-five has been recorded instead." removed—Chris!_c/t 23:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, the out-of-date links can possibly be replaced, with Internet Archive or whatnot. Zagalejo^^^ 06:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Could you list them out for me here? Thanks—Chris!_c/t 23:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to go through them when I get a chance. Zagalejo^^^ 00:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, here are some additional comments:

• "The most common double-double combination is points and rebounds, followed by points and assists." - Probably true, but needs a source.

Will this work?—Chris!_c/t 05:49, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

That book is self-published, so we might need something else. (I planned to use that one once before, but then I noticed that it's an AuthorHouse book. Zagalejo^^^ 06:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Then I have a hard time founding a source for that.—Chris!_c/t 06:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I find one.—Chris!_c/t 05:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Good, that works. Zagalejo^^^ 05:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

• The link in Reference 1 no longer displays the 2008-09 leaderboards. It shouldn't be too hard to replace, though.

Well, it takes a few clicks to get that info. Does that suffice?—Chris!_c/t 06:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it's best for our readers if they have a direct link. Zagalejo^^^ 06:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

• The tables in the article should probably say "Accurate as of...[whenever they were put together]"

Good idea—Chris!_c/t 06:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

• It might be good to have some sources to verify that people actually use the terms in the "Special double-doubles" section.

See [2]—Chris!_c/t 06:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

See my comments about that book above. Zagalejo^^^ 06:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

section removed; unable to found a source—Chris!_c/t 00:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

• "The most common way for a player to achieve a triple-double is with points, rebounds, and assists" -- Not something I would challenge, but a source would still be good.

See [3]—Chris!_c/t 06:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

See above. Zagalejo^^^ 06:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Sources added.—Chris!_c/t 00:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

• Ref 9 is dead. It's OK to delink the ref, and treat it as a print source. But we need to make sure that the content in that section is actually covered by the ref. I might be able to track down that article; I'll let you know.

Thanks—Chris!_c/t 06:02, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't seem that I have immediate access to it. You might have better luck. Does your college have Newsbank? Zagalejo^^^ 06:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

No—Chris!_c/t 06:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

• It's not clear to me if Ref 12 is reliable.

removed; will try to find another one.—Chris!_c/t 23:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

• Ref 13 (from Oscar Robinson's official website) could probably be replaced with a third-party source.

supplemented with add'l source.—Chris!_c/t 23:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

• Ref 23 is not formatted.
• Ref 54 doesn't work.

Works for me.—Chris!_c/t 23:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, now it works for me, too. Never mind. Zagalejo^^^ 23:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

• Most of the facts in the Five-by-Five section are unsourced.

Some are based on the info of the above table, which is sourced.—Chris!_c/t 23:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, OK. I didn't look too closely at the table. Zagalejo^^^ 23:23, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Overall, I guess there weren't as many dead links as I thought. But there are still some kinks to work out. Zagalejo^^^ 05:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Turnovers

I believe one can get a double with 10 turnovers. The article does not mention this.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think 10 turnovers qualify as a double. Only having 10 in one of the 5 main stats (points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks) can qualify.—Chris!_c/t 07:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

People occasionally do include turnovers when talking about *-doubles, but it's usually said tongue-in-cheek. I know that the NBA doesn't include turnovers when compiling its double-double and triple-double leaderboards. Zagalejo^^^ 08:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Players accomplishing at least 5 steals and 5 blocks in a game

So, there used to be a section in the five-by-five section talking about players who had not achieved a five-by-five but who had recorded 5 steals and 5 blocks in a game and now it's gone. It might be nice to have some discussion before deleting an entire section of the article. If you look at the five-by-five page from before this merger, I had explained why I thought it was good to have. StatisticsMan (talk) 03:19, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about removing. I meant to move that info here temporarily because I can't find references for that. If references are find, they can be re-included.—Chris!_c/t 03:39, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Players with 5+ steals and 5+ blocked shots in one game

This is a list of players since the 1986–87 NBA season who have posted totals of five or more in both steals and blocked shots, but did not record a five-by-five. Only regular season games are taken into account.

• Ben Wallace (four games)
• Michael Jordan (three games)
• Antonio McDyess
• Dikembe Mutombo
• Shaquille O'Neal
• Emeka Okafor
• Bo Outlaw
• Clifford Robinson
• Josh Smith
• Dwight Howard

Ah, that's cool. Actually, the reference is included in what you just pasted here. It is a link to a search engine on basketball-reference.com and if you search for 5 steals and 5 blocks, these are what come up. StatisticsMan (talk) 04:10, 8 December2009 (UTC)

You sure? It is not showing when I search.—Chris!_c/t 04:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

There are a number of different ways to come up with that list. It requires a bit of cross-reference on the site. You need to cross reference this list (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=&match=game&year_min=1987&year_max=2010&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&c1stat=stl&c1comp=gt&c1val=5&c2stat=blk&c2comp=gt&c2val=5&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=date_game&order_by_asc=Y) with this list (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=&match=career&year_min=1987&year_max=2010&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&c1stat=stl&c1comp=gt&c1val=5&c2stat=blk&c2comp=gt&c2val=5&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=date_game). It's definitely there.Hoops gza (talk) 20:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Josh Smith has an unbelievable shot at a five-by-five tonight. Take a look in on the Atlanta at Indiana game.Hoops gza (talk) 01:28, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

He is 1 steal short.—Chris!_c/t 02:30, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

So, are you ever going to put these back in the article seeing as how there is a source? StatisticsMan (talk) 18:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I am currently busy and don't have time to do it, so feel free to add it back yourself.—Chris!_c/t 19:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Double (basketball)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wizardman 06:16, 4 December 2009 (UTC) This is a nice article overall. Combining everything into one seems to help make it comprehensive and complete. Anyway, here's some issues I found:

• "The most common double-double combination is points-rebounds and follows by points-assists." is followed maybe? This sentence doesn't feel worded right.

Reworded—Chris!_c/t 07:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

• "Oldest player: Karl Malone (Los Angeles Lakers), the only 40-year-old player to do so," If there's an exact age for youngest there should be one for oldest.

Added—Chris!_c/t 07:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

• Is there a reason why Gary Grant's triple double doesn't have a date or opponent on it? Can't imagine it would be too hard to find.

Added—Chris!_c/t 07:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

• "The first American female player above the high school level to officially record a quadruple-double was Ann Meyers, who achieved this feat in 1978 while playing for the UCLA Bruins. The first male player in NCAA Division I history to record a quadruple-double was Lester Hudson." Both should be cited on first mention in the prose (though I see they are cited in the table, so maybe I'm being picky here)

Added—Chris!_c/t 07:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

• "It is unclear whether or not this feat has occurred at the collegiate or the professional level." This contradicts with the lead, which says it definitely hasn't happened.

Removed because not verifiable—Chris!_c/t 07:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

• Refs #3 and 4 (the point-rebound and point-assist double-doubles) aren't working right. The link goes to a page that doesn't actually show this. I tried to fix it but it didn't work.

Fixed, I think—Chris!_c/t 19:42, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I'll put this on hold and will do another read-through after words. Ideally a pass is soon. Wizardman 06:39, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good now, so I'll pass this as a GA. Wizardman 01:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Double-double-double

AKA 20 points, 20 boards. Could some mention of this be made in the Double-double section? Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 04:41, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

The main reason this is excluded is lack of sourcing. But if sources could be founded, then yes.—Chris!_c/t 06:07, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

For reference, see the content under Talk:Double (basketball)#Special double-doubles, which was removed from the article due to a lack of an adequate source supporting the terminology (not the stats). — Myasuda (talk) 14:27, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

So if I found someplace reliable that uses double-double-double (or quadruple-double-double, for that matter), it could be back in? Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 08:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely. — Myasuda (talk) 16:10, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

This ESPN piece did use the term "double double-double."—Chris!_c/t 05:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I found this article from NCAA that mentions "double double-double". I think 20 points and 20 rebounds (or 20 assists) performance is more often referred as a 20-20 game, for example in this game recap from ESPN. NBA.com even called the feat as both a 20-20 and double-20 in here. Martin tamb (talk) 08:07, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

So, I think we can mention this in the article. I guess double double-double is the formal name, while both 20-20 and double-20 are informal.—Chris!_c/t 19:39, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Quadruple-double in a high school game. - does it belong in here?

In 2007 Kelly Faris had a quadruple-double in a high school game. I note most of the entries in this page are college or pros, with the exception of the one high school quintuple-double. On one hand, with a shorter game, a quadruple-double is even more notable in high school, on the other hand, the lack of parity may make such an accomplishment easier against a mismatched opponent. How do people feel about the inclusion of quadruple-doubles from high school? Acceptable or discouraged? (Just to be clear, I would like to add this one, but not if there has been a consensus not to do so.)--SPhilbrickT 16:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

On the one hand, I think there are enough quadruples at higher levels of sport (college, pro) that we shouldn't progress to the high school level. Part of that is due to the higher likelihood of mismatches, and part of it is due to volume: more games likely means more quadruple-doubles.

That said, depth of coverage is something to take into account. If a player scores a quadruple-double, and if it's reported by SI, ESPN, and other major outlets, then it might be worth mentioning—probably because there is something inherently unusual about it to generate that wider coverage. So I would say the rule is to exclude HS quadruples, with rare and well-documented exceptions. —C.Fred (talk) 16:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable.--SPhilbrickT 17:19, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest removing the quintuple doubles as well. Girls high school basketball is even less competitive. You have to draw the line somewhere - what if my little brother did it at a pick-up YMCA game? Would that count? I'd suggest men's college and nba only. Women's college is becoming more competitive, but it's still mostly ruled by a few schools who get all the recruits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xaxxon (talk • contribs) 08:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I would agree for other doubles. But quintuple doubles are so rare that they probably will never happen in professional & college games. I think exceptions should be made. And no pickup games won't count because they aren't organized.—Chris!_c/t 19:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Regular season leaders?

The list of "regualr season double-double leaders" looks a lot like a list of all-time double-double leaders. GeneCallahan (talk) 02:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

NBA triple-doubles table and the playoffs

The table used to have LeBron James listed with 28 triple-doubles. However, per List of career achievements by LeBron James, he has 28 regular-season TDs and 6 playoff TDs. However, ESPN only lists the regular-season ones.

For purposes of the table, are we counting all career triple-doubles or regular-season only? If the latter, the table heading needs changed to reflect that. —C.Fred (talk) 03:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

The issue is that I don't know whether the historic list of career triple double used in the article shows the total (regular season + playoffs) or just the regular season. I guess I will have to look into this.—Chris!_c/t 04:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

The number "10" as being of some significance is rather lacking as to obtain double digits for points scored is not a big deal but it is for other categories. It is for this reason that I produced the new statistic extending the "triple-double" relating only to total rebounds, assists, and points scored to 10,10, and 25, respectively. You may see my write-up at: http://nbaexcellentgames.blogspot.com/. I sent this idea to the NBA and hoping they will appreciate and then adopt it. Now, I would like to have the similar data for Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, and others who would rank high. Excluding the missing first season statistics for Michael Jordan through a referenced site on my site shown above, he accomplished this 20 times, Lebron James 29 times so far, and Kobe Bryant, 9 times so far, for the regular season. Being there is some claim to Oscar Robertson's data, I would like to see it or someone provide to me without me having to buy a book to find it. I am surprised with all the mathematicians that abound that this wasn't given consideration (that I've seen anyway). I will produce a new and better quarterback rating, but I know what I am up against on Wiki - if a person makes such a thing and publishes it, it is treated as gold, no matter how terrible it is, just like how Wiki wants to uplift the terrible PEG ratio that is not math-based yet I produce one that is but the power structure of wiki prefers some items that are faulty. Sad world.Numbertruth (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

For better or for worse, Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to cover an idea first, and then due weight is applied to determine if it should be included in an article. Until sources cover an idea, Wikipedia cannot be used to right great wrongs.—Bagumba (talk) 00:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Hakeem Olajuwon with 2 Quadruple Doubles, not just 1.

According to the section on Five-by-Fives, Hakeem Olajuwon recorded another quadruple double on March 3, 1990, in addition to the quadruple double that is listed in the Quadruple Double section, that he recorded on March 29, 1990. I checked to see if they were the same game, with a misprint on the date, but www.basketball-reference.com confirms it. Hakeem recorded two quadruple doubles in the same month, one against the Warriors and then later against the Bucks. Someone should, since I'm afraid I have no clue how to, add the one from the Five-by-Fives section to the Quadruple Double section.

This is the one that is included in the Quadruple Double section: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003290HOU.html And this is the one in the 5-by-5 section: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003030HOU.html

Djahjaga (talk) 06:41, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

The March 3, 1990, game is a near miss. Even though basketball-reference.com lists the original box score, the NBA removed one assist from the game report, stripping him of the quad. It's covered in the article in a note to the near misses table. —C.Fred (talk) 07:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that Kobe Bryant had been credited with one too many. I'm not sure if that's because someone edited it twice to add on his most recent one (4/2/2013) or if the error predated that. Anyway, it's current of today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Backell (talk) 20:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)2602:306:335E:CBE0:B400:64BF:9591:509 (talk) 14:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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Altough it was suggested and supported as a good idea, it is not currently mentioned when these tables were latest updated.
As for the double-doubles, there are two lists, "Point-rebound" and "Point-assist". I would like to see one list for all double-doubles, though it would probably be very close the same than these two just combined. 85.217.22.58 (talk) 12:32, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we are unable to obtain reliable sources that give the total double-doubles. As for the latest update thing, I will see what I can do.—Chris!_c/t 21:10, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't the NBA publish a seasonal double-double leaders list? I'd start from there. 85.217.36.71 (talk) 22:38, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Strangely, basketball-reference.com does not have the double-double leaders even for the past season. I wonder what is the reason for that? 85.217.36.71 (talk) 02:18, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Basketball-reference does have the game finder which gives you the information you need (albeit only back to 85). However, if the information from before '85 is reliable then I'm pretty sure it's not changing. Here is the "leaderboard" for this season's triple doubles. http://bkref.com/tiny/4tNdl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:335E:CBE0:B400:64BF:9591:509 (talk) 15:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Went through the sources. The figures are not updated; on the points-rebounds side Tim Duncan had one less (don't know why) and Kevin Garnett had nine more; on the points-assists side Steve Nash had 12 more and Jason Kidd had one more. Might change those myself when I have time.
The list All-time triple-double leaders (regular season) has two sources [43] and [44], and the active player have [39] to [42]. The first one is dated December 9, 2006 the latter one April 9, 2002. The others have one saying "This was the 106th triple-double of Kidd's career.", don't know where the figure 107 has come from. LeBron James' and Grant Hill's sources have date November 19, 2009. So I'd expect the triple-doubles to be accurate as of Nov 19, 2009. 85.217.36.71 (talk) 02:36, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Noticing that the list had Kobe Bryant being credited with one extra triple-double, I corrected that per basektball-reference. I also updated the double-double tables to reflect through today (4/3/2013). Added Chris Paul and Deron Willias on the assists side and Dwight Howard on the rebounds side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Backell (talk) 20:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)2602:306:335E:CBE0:B400:64BF:9591:509 (talk) 15:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Averaging a triple-double?

I know that Oscar Robertson is already mentioned as having averaged a triple-double in the NBA for a season, but I was wondering if there should be a special subsection of triple-double that mentions all verified/reliably sourced occurrences of a player averaging a triple-double at any level. I bring this up because it's such a rare achievement and usually well-documented, passing GNG, but also because it's a pretty interesting list to see. I created Walter Luckett's article, and while researching it, found out that he averaged a preposterous 39.5 points, 16 rebounds and 13 assists per game as a senior at Kolbe High School in 1971–72. Thoughts on adding this subsection? Jrcla2 (talk) 20:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to add a section as long as it is well sourced. :).—Chris!_c/t 21:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Brian Scalabrine

I'm gonna take a stab and say that if there was a player called Brian Scalabrine who recorded a triple double with 9 in another column in 1974, it is not the Brian Scalabrine linked - who while amazing - wasn't born yet. 66.187.233.208 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Reading the second reference - it was actually Larry Steele. I have updated the entry. 66.187.233.208 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Clearly it was vandalism.—Chris!_c/t 21:40, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

New five-by-five info

Quick summary: So, we have some partial info on an old five-by-five by Dr. J and I'm adding in the partial info. If any one can find more info, that's awesome. More detail is below.

So, back when I created the article on five-by-fives, I found 15 five-by-fives using basketball-reference.com 's game search function. But, that only went back to 86-87 or something like that. I also found an article mentioning that there had been 17 five-by-fives in NBA history, but I never could find any info on those other 2 five-by-fives. Now, Nicolas Batum just recorded the 18th in NBA history and if you look at the article, we get some new info on one of the missing five-by-fives!!!!

http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400278069

Go over to the right hand side of the page in the "Research Notes" section. It says that Batum got 11 points, 10 assists, 5 of the other three. It also says only two other players have ever done this before, one of which is Dr. J on Dec 5, 1979 against the Spurs. Thus, we know Dr. J has a five-by-five. We don't know the exact stats but we know he had at least 11, 5, 10, 5, 5. Using basketball-reference.com's website, we can get a bit more info, because they have the newspaper clippings from box scores.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/197912050PHI.html

This shows that Dr. J had 28 points but doesn't say anything else about the stats. So, I'm going to add this in with 28 points, 5+ rebounds, 10+ assists, 5+ steals, 5+ blocks because we don't know the exact stats. StatisticsMan (talk) 15:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Removal of Dr. J five-by-five

So, I looked at the page and noticed the five-by-five by Dr. J was removed with the reason "Removed inclusion of the Julius Erving 5x5 season (which was not, as the title explained, "after the 1985-86 season"" So, when I added the five-by-five, I didn't notice the title and didn't change it. To me, it seems like common sense to change the title instead of deleting new data. The title is not there to exclude any data that does not fit under it. It is there to describe the data. If the data changes, then the title changes. The reason for the previous title was simply because basketball-reference.com's website has boxscores only back as far as 1985-86 and thus no other five-by-fives were known. I have added the data back and changed the sentence before the table to explain the current data. Why would we only care about five-by-fives before the 1985-86 season? There is one other five-by-five in the history of the NBA, as far as I know, but I don't know anything about it other than it happened sometime before 1985-86. StatisticsMan (talk) 00:26, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

• I have read somewhere that Olajuwon supposedly had a seventh 5x5, but I have yet to find it in his rookie season. Perhaps that is the missing game.Hoops gza (talk) 00:26, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas?

Seasons greetings to all Wikipedia editors, but does the article really benefit from a section listing triple-doubles on Christmas? This seems like a random bit of non-encyclopedic trivia. We could also have triple-doubles on birthdays, triple-doubles with the exact same number of all stats, etc.

A couple of things that might be added, where I'm not exactly objective because of being a Rajon Rondo fan and would like other input: most triple-doubles in the postseason (wasn't this previously part of the article?) and expanding the section on Wilt's 20-20-20 game to list the three 15-15-15 games in NBA history; Oscar Robertson got the other. I believe both are well sourced. Ma^t_chups 14:03, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Finally got around to it. Old text is below.Ma^t_chups 03:45, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

• Triple-doubles on Christmas Day: This has been accomplished eight times:
  • Oscar Robertson (Cincinnati Royals at Detroit Pistons, 1960)
  • Oscar Robertson (Cincinnati Royals vs. Los Angeles Lakers, 1961)
  • Oscar Robertson (Cincinnati Royals vs. St. Louis Hawks, 1963)
  • Oscar Robertson (Cincinnati Royals vs. Seattle SuperSonics, 1967)
  • John Havlicek (Boston Celtics at New York Knicks, 1967)
  • Billy Cunningham (Philadelphia 76ers vs. Detroit Pistons, 1970)
  • LeBron James (Miami Heat at Los Angeles Lakers, 2010)
  • Russell Westbrook (Oklahoma City Thunder at New York Knicks, 2013)

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Russell Westbrook

Russell Westbrook now has had a triple-double against the wizards for 3 straight games. And he holds the record for having a triple-double this late into the season since Oscar. Wlyman0404 (talk) 06:53, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Russell Westbrook this season

If someone is nore experienced with editing Wikipedia than I am they may want to add that Russell Westbrook is averaging a triple double in the 2016-17 season, but the season isn't finished yet Numbers58 (talk) 10:05, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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Globalise notice

Hi all - though it's perhaps understandable that this article deals predominantly withe the game in the US, it'd be useful to include more information about other pro leagues worldwide and also games between national teams (e.g., at the Olympics, World champs, etc). Currently there's no mention of non-NBA/NCAA games at all until the section on quadruple-doubles. Grutness...wha? 11:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Non-NBA five-by-fives

Should the list of five-by-fives be limited to just the NBA, or should it be expanded? Somebody added one for an NBA Summer League game, which I removed because the 17-18 NBA season hasn't started yet, before I realized it happened in a summer league game. The summer league is not the NBA, though. —C.Fred (talk) 18:44, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

quadruple double

I think it would be good if you would add "negative" quadruple double (triple double + lost balls) as a trivia; nothing fancy, list of players with year and game against. 93.139.124.54 (talk) 11:41, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Double (basketball)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Has been tagged with a globilise tag for a while now, but it also needs other work. It looks like a lot of articles have been merged into one article and it has made the whole thing a bit messy. There are a lot of tables which don't have a lot of explanatory prose.In fact what prose that is there seems to contradict the tables. While I would expect this to have a lot of information on the NBA it needs to have a more global coverage to be considered broad enough for a Good Article. There is also a massive overuse of bolding. AIRcorn (talk) 23:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

• For what it's worth, the "merge" had already taken place at the time it was made GA[4]. I think the article is broad enough for basic basketball terminology. However, I suspect the standalone term double is a Wikipedia-manufactured term to act as container for double-double, triple-double, etc. I think the globalize tag was placed because most of the embedded lists are for the NBA or U.S. college basketball. An argument could be made that league-specific lists should be spun off to standalone lists (WP:EXAMPLEFARM?) Otherwise, commingling more leagues brings up the question of what is WP:DUE weight. Nobody should question the NBA's inclusion because it's the preeminent basketball league in the world, but I don't know how it could be objectively balanced if more leagues are to be included. As for factual errors, can you enumerate them so people can address them? Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 10:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
  • . Wilt Chamberlain holds the record for most career double-doubles, yet is not mentioned in the list at all. I guess that has something to do with the seemingly arbitrary starting point of 1983-4 season, but it just highlights a further problem (recentism). In fact over half the article is lists, which is also problematic (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Embedded lists). Due weight in regards to what competitions to include needs to be taken into account and I am not looking for a perfect balance, but it should be plain to anyone that looks at the article that the current balance is out. Double-double and triple-double are almost exclusively about the NBA, they even name drop it in the first paragraphs which should be describing the concept. There is a strong mention of college basketball under triple double, which really just highlights how US centric the article is. Quadruple-double is the best balanced, but again is very list heavy. I think this needs a lot of work, and I am happy to keep it open if you are willing to take it up. There is no harm if it is delisted, it just loses the green spot. It can be nominated again when someone gets the time and motivation to do so. AIRcorn (talk) 11:12, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
    • The Chamberlain sentence is dubious, and a bit trivial (regular season and playoffs stats usually not combined), so I deleted it. I doubt I will be signing up to do the bulk of any changes necessary. I was merely offering a different perspective on the concerns you raised. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
      • No problem. Feel free to keep commenting. AIRcorn (talk) 19:24, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

• Delisting per concerns raised above. AIRcorn (talk) 23:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Addressing the globalize tag

The article has had a globalize tag on it for the last two years, so it may be important to identify how to best address that tag. The GA delisting mentioned that the sections for double-double and triple-double are very US-centric. While statistics for other leagues are harder to find than that of the NBA, it may be best to come up with a set of leagues that should be touched upon for these two sections.

What does everyone else think? Which leagues should be on this list? 400spartans (talk) 00:57, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

In #GA Reassessment above, I stated that perhaps this article should just describe the generic terms, and league-specific lists should be spun out. On the other hand, the NBA is the preeminent basketball league in the world, and WP:DUE could justify it remaining. I don't know how it could be objectively balanced if more leagues are to be included. To a certain extent, it's too easy to tag this article but not provide viable suggestions on improvement.—Bagumba (talk) 18:36, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Article name

Wtf is a 'double'? Does anyone use the term on its own, as the opening sentence states? I can't find any examples, and I've never heard it. 'Double double' or 'triple double', obviously, but just 'double'? If I can't find any evidence for it I will rename and rewrite. --hippo43 (talk) 11:36, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

In the above thread at #GA_Reassessment, I had wrote: I suspect the standalone term double is a Wikipedia-manufactured term to act as container for double-double, triple-double, etc. I've never heard why all these needed to be in same article.—Bagumba (talk) 15:53, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't have the stamina to read thru all that. You're right, and "Double" is definitely the wrong name. It means something else entirely in basketball, so is really misleading here. It needs to be changed. For me, it makes sense to keep them all in the same article, but I wouldn't object to splitting it into two articles. --hippo43 (talk) 17:59, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Male focus

This article focuses on male athletes. It's already flagged for a limited geographical coverage. Maybe you guys could consider other people in your future edits. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I swapped an image of Vandersloot for Gray and added Fowles. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Name of page

The name of the page should be double (basketball) instead of double-double. Bodi123 (talk) 05:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Wes Unseld listed as first perfect triple-double

Russell Westbrook should have the title, no? The thumbnail images to the right-hand side has Wes Unseld as the first to score a perfect triple-double. All major sports outlets state that Westbrook is the first which I assume is correct, right?! Afro~svwiki (talk) 12:52, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Afro~svwiki: The sources cited in the article support the claim that Unseld had one. Have you seen any of those major sports outlets addressing why Unseld's doesn't count? —C.Fred (talk) 13:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

quadruple double with fouls?

It would be good to add some explanation here: "triple-doubles plus 10 or more turnovers or fouls have occurred (14 with turnovers, 1 with fouls in the NBA)." How did someone commit 10 fouls in one game in the NBA? Or is the sentence written incorrectly? The link to the source is paywalled. I would love to see the statline for this game.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14f:c301:4c80:6c2f:f798:3335:4333 (talk) 15:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)</ref>

WP:OR removed.—Bagumba (talk) 15:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Split proposed

Suggest that the Triple-doubles in the NBA be split to a new article (List of National Basketball Association career triple-double leaders), similar to other NBA lists. It feels like over-coverage to have it in this main article. -- DragonFederal (talk) 07:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I was WP:BOLD. --IndexAccount (talk) 07:50, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Draymond's 4/12/10/10

Should the only triple double without points be on the page. ([5])-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:55, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I believe it should be. It was the fewest points in a triple-double in history. This is the only game where a player had at least 10 steals and 5 blocks. Draymond was 6 points away from a quadruple-double (would've been the fifth in NBA history) and 5 blocks away from a quintuple-double (would've been the first in NBA history). - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 19:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Triple doubles

GoPats, I am adding {{multiple image}} to include Mr. Robertson. Not ideal, but better than encroaching on the women which this article used to do by cramming in too many pictures of men on the right side. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks for the note! GoPats (talk) 20:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)