Talk:Dolphins (cricket team)

Requested move 11 March 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 06:30, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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• Dolphins (cricket team) → Dolphins cricket team
• Titans (cricket team) → Titans cricket team
• Warriors (cricket team) → Warriors cricket team
• Knights (cricket team) → Knights cricket team

– The brackets are pointless, people will search for Dolphins cricket team, not Dolphins (cricket team). Joseph2302 (talk) 12:32, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose and speedy close not the name, not our format In ictu oculi (talk) 18:20, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose I think the brackets are better. They seem to fit better with WP:ATDAB and we have redirects to help anyone who does try searching for "Name cricket team" Spike 'em (talk) 18:42, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Some relevant points from WP:AT :

WP:UCRN would immediately suggest "Dolphins" as the article name, but as that is too general a name some disambiguation is needed.

Redirects exist for a reason : "Article titles and redirects should anticipate what readers will type as a first guess and balance that with what readers expect to be taken to."

If you can find English language articles that refer to "Dolphins cricket team" then you'd have a case as that being the natural disambiguation, otherwise it will fall into parenthetical disambiguation, as seems to be the case.

There is a Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports teams) but it does not give any direct guidance on this situation, though on the talk page the editors seem to favour a bracketed sport name where needed. Spike 'em (talk) 09:16, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Accept The user who requested the page move made a good point on this stuff. People generally attempt for a Google search to get information about Dolphins, a domestic South African cricket team as Dolphins cricket team rather than typing as Dolphins (cricket team). Abishe (talk) 10:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Could either of you actually back this up with some proof, and explain why the redirect is not sufficient? Spike 'em (talk) 11:38, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

I just did a google search for "Dolphins cricket team" and the 3rd page was this one (after 2 pages on the Dolphins own website). I did same search on wikipedia and it took me straight here. Please set your arguments out in terms of Wikipedia policies, not some vague notion of what you think is best. Spike 'em (talk) 11:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose the Dolphins do not call themselves "Dolphins cricket team", just "Dolphins". This is not the proper use of WP:NATURAL._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 17:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - This nomination is founded on faulty logic. This is like saying Highlanders (rugby union) should be at Highlanders rugby union team. – PeeJay 15:30, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

• Which I think they should be, for the same reason. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

If you want to create a new naming convention for all sports, then discuss it at the page linked above and park this discussion until it is resolved. Spike 'em (talk) 13:18, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Not their names and redirects will take people nicely to the appropriate page titles. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:06, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose and comment I previously called the move a positive one but I made a mistake in understanding the wording. Abishe (talk) 15:27, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

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