Talk:Doctor Who series 12

Crtical receiption

I feel that it would be good to point out under "critical receiption" the IMMENSE difference in professional versus fan receiption: Rotten Tomatoes for series 12: Tomatometer (professional critis): 78%. Audience score: 16%. In short: critics like it, fans hate it. This should give a sentence or so... https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/doctor_who/s12 2001:A61:B8E:2A01:758E:5AB5:2BFC:58E7 (talk) 19:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Tertiary sources, like wikipedia, work by citing and summarising reliable sources. If you can start with a direct quote from a reliable source stating that the above is in any way notable, feel free to add it. (Also, there's probably more than 4000 Doctor Who fans in the world.) DonQuixote (talk) 19:38, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Read WP:USERGEN. This has been discussed before. -- /Alex/₂₁ 23:03, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Most episodes from series 12 DO have rotten tomato values under "critical receiption"... 2001:A61:BD4:FC01:A1EC:A178:4F0:B90F (talk) 11:18, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Critical reception, yes. User/fan/audience reviews are not critical reception in any manner and thus not at any level notable. -- /Alex/₂₁ 11:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Doctor Who (series 12)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dege31 (talk · contribs) 20:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I will be reviewing the article. For now there are only comments on some aspects, but the chunkiest ones, and I will add other ones in the following days.There are issues present in regards to the criteria, but I trust they're fixable in a reasonable amount of time. Dege31 (talk) 20:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll be sure to get to work on them soon; thank you for reviewing the article. However, the header above does seem to need fixing... -- /Alex/₂₁ 23:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Header fixed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

That's all comments for now. I hope everything goes smoothly. Dege31 (talk) 19:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I believe I've done the what's been requested. Let me know if you have any further questions. -- /Alex/₂₁ 03:24, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Good work. The article passes. Dege31 (talk) 17:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

General notes

• Can you add on what day the premiere was broadcast?
  •  Already done 1 January 2021 2020.
    • I mean, put in that it's a Friday. Dege31 (talk) 12:19, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
      •  Done Wednesday (I wrote the wrong year above, that's my bad), so added. -- /Alex/₂₁ 13:19, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• Archive the sources in #Home media?
  •  Done
• Why was the series airing postponed from 2019 to 2020? I noticed this in the Starburst article. That seems like something that should be included.
  • As far as I am aware, no official reason was ever provided by the BBC.
• There is not a lot of info on the music/soundtrack, yet it's almost split in half with "Music" and "Soundtrack". Can it be combined into just one (sub)section?
  • This follows the format of the past twelve series articles, all of which have also passed GA. Akinola returning does not relate to the release of the soundtrack, which by consistency, has always has its own section.
• It really seems like there are multiple TARDIS, can this be clarified a little?
  • Where?

Lead

• Maybe add a sentence or two on the Ratings section to the lead?
  •  Done
• "the twelfth to air after the programme's revival in 2005" Put a wikilink to Series 1 or the list of episodes somewhere here?
  • That would be an WP:EGG, and this matches the past twelve GA-approved series articles.
• It really seems like there are multiple TARDIS, can this be clarified a little?
  • Where?

Episodes

Spyfall Part 1

• Why not mention how the aliens are called? Or is that just Kassavin or are they a species? Looking at the main article for this.
  •  Done
• Mention that the aliens are hostile and intend to occupy the Universe?
  •  Done

Spyfall Part 2

• "in the Master's TARDIS" The lead seems to imply that there is only one TARDIS?
  •  Done Each Time Lord has their own TARDIS. Clarified in the lead that the Doctor travels in her own.

Orphan 55

• "a "fakation" facility" What's that? A fake vacation facility? How is it fake?
  •  Done Changed to vacation; not quite right but it'll do. It's a term from the series itself; it means a vacation where the imagery is not real and is generated, to mimic a real vacation in a beautiful location.
• "a desolate "orphan" world" What's an orphan world?
  •  Done uninhabitable

Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror

• "Queen of the Skithra" A few words on what the Skithra is?
  •  Done

Fugitive of the Judoon

• "Lee surrenders and is killed by Gat, the Judoon's employer." Why? Is he the fugitive?
  •  Done For being Ruth's accomplice
• "introducing herself as the Doctor" This is wikilinked to Fugitive Doctor to the main article, should it be linked here too? Is she the fugitive? Still, why did they kill Lee?
  •  Done
• "Ruth returns the Doctor to Gloucester, without any explanation for the mystery of the two Doctors." Maybe this should be reworded as "The mystery of the two Doctors remains unexplained." ? Currently it implies she should somehow explain this, or what?
  •  Done

Praxeus

• "before disintegrating them" The main article says "before their bodies explode", why disintegrate here?
  • Because it's the same thing. They disintegrate as they explode.
• "Jake's husband Adam in the early stages" Clarify that this refers to the disease caused by the bacterium.
  •  Done
• "to evaluate" Evaluate what? I assume to investigate the bacterium, judging by the later text.
  •  Done
• "They load the ship's reserves with the antidote and set the ship to self-destruct in the atmosphere to disperse it" How does this work if it's only a cure that works in humans?
  • I don't know, that sounds like a question for the episode's writers.

Can You Hear Me?

• "They are led to a ship in the future piloted by Zellin, who claims to be immortal and omnipotent." Why does this need a reference?
  •  Done Removed
• "Yaz repays an old debt to a police officer she met three years earlier. " The main article doesn't mention anything about a debt?
  •  Done Removed. It happens, but it's not needed to explain the episode.
• "who uses Graham's visions to track the source of the nightmares" Mention that this is done with the TARDIS.
  •  Done

The Haunting of Villa Diodati

• "the "haunts" to prevent discovery" What is that?
  •  Done
• "Despite knowing of Jack's previous warning of the lone Cyberman" What warning?
  • He gave them a warning in the Judoon episode.

Ascension of the Cybermen

• "travel to Ko Sharmus, known as humanity's last hope." How is it the last hope if the other one is the last outpost?
  • A question for the episode writers.

The Timeless Children

• "orphaned female Child" Why capital C? Do you mean Time Child? Judging by the main article.
  •  Done Lowercased.
• "but Ko Sharmus arrives and takes her place" Why? "detonating the particle in his final moments." Does it kill the detonator? Make that clear.
  •  Done It's his final moments, yes, he dies. There's a word count limit to how far we can extend the summary.

Revolution of the Daleks

• The main article mentions 2019. Is that in-universe or? So should it be mentioned here?
  • Year isn't relevant the the plot.

Casting

• "The series is the second to feature Jodie Whittaker as the Thirteenth Doctor." Why does this need two sources? I recommend removing the Starburst article which calls some of the information rumors.
  •  Done
• "Bradley Walsh, Tosin Cole and Mandip Gill also reprise their roles as Graham O'Brien, Ryan Sinclair and Yasmin Khan, respectively." Why does this need two sources?
  •  Done
• "Stephen Fry appeared in the first part of the two-part episode "Spyfall", with Lenny Henry appearing in both parts." The inline source does not seem to state in which parts they appear.
  •  Done
• "Dominique Maher and Darron Meyer portrayed Agent Browning and Seesay respectively in "Spyfall, Part 1"." The inline source does not seem to state in which parts they appear.
  •  Done
• "Sacha Dhawan appeared unannounced" Is there some significance to this being unannounced?
  • He portrayed a new incarnation of a programme-long villain, and his appearance was not announced before the episode to add to the cliffhanger of the episode.
• "Aurora Marion portrayed Noor Inayat Khan in "Spyfall, Part 2"." Why does this need two sources? I suggest keeping the latter source.
  •  Done
• "James Buckley appeared in "Orphan 55" as Nevi." The source stated that he will appear in Block 2, not which episode. Could you put in a better source?
  •  Done
• "Laura Fraser also appeared in "Orphan 55" as Kane, as did Julia Foster as Vilma." Why do these need two sources each? Keep the Radiobox source for Fraser, since it's the only one that says the role and episode. Maybe just that source for the sentence, since 'Doctor Who Series 12: new director, actor, character discovered' also doesn't even mention Foster.
  •  Done
• "Goran Višnjić and Robert Glenister have also been cast as Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison respectively." Remove BBC source which doesn't state their roles? If the BBC Doctor Who blog is relevant, just put it as an external link.
  •  Done
• "Jo Martin appeared as a previously unknown incarnation of the Doctor using the alias 'Ruth Clayton' in "Fugitive of the Judoon"." The BBC source seems to not have relevant information?
  •  Done
• "Neil Stuke appeared in "Fugitive of the Judoon", and Nicholas Briggs provided the voice of the Judoon." What is the relevancy of the DWTV source?
  •  Done
• "Molly Harris appeared as Suki Cheng in "Praxeus"." Just keep the Cult Box listing source.
  •  Done
• "Maxim Baldry appeared as Dr John Polidori in "The Haunting of Villa Diodati"." Only the BBC source states this, remove Cult Box.
  •  Done
• "Jacob Collins-Levy also appeared as Lord Byron in the same episode." Only the BBC source states this, remove Cult Box.
  •  Done

Production

• "In May 2017, it was announced that due to the terms of a deal" Any updates on this?
  • No, the deal's just remained the same since it was announced.
• "Chris Chibnall returned as the series's showrunner, the role he took on following Steven Moffat's departure after the tenth series." The source does not mention Moffat.
  •  Done Source added for Moffat.
• "Nina Metivier, who served as script editor on the previous series, also wrote an episode." Can you add a source saying which episode is that?
  •  Done
• "with a modified column above the time rotor, the pathway from the TARDIS's doors, stairs, and modifications to the central console." Can this be reworded for better clarity?
  •  Done
• "Multiple episodes feature" Maybe "some" would be better?
  •  Done
• "which had been consistently used between the first and tenth series but were entirely absent in the eleventh" The source doesn't say this very clearly.
  •  Done Modified.
• "minisode" Is this a term specific to the topic or should different wording be used?
  •  Done It's a correct term but I've modified it to mini-episode.
• "Filming commenced on 23 January 2019 in Cape Town, South Africa," Where does it say that it was in Cape Town? And cut either RadioTimes or Cult Box.
  •  Done Modified to South Africa; cut CultBox, though I'm not sure how removing references helps an article.
    • It's not the type of thing that needs multiple sources for verification, so I think it just causes clutter and unnecessary work for readers when verifying. Dege31 (talk) 17:03, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
• "The 2021 New Year's Day special, "Revolution of the Daleks", was filmed by Lee Haven Jones." None of the inline sources say this.
  •  Done
• "Production blocks were arranged as follows:" None of the inline sources even mention the blocks.
  • Listed as per standard practice in the past series articles.
• "Segun Akinola returned to compose for the twelfth series." Not sure why Doctor Who composer Segun Akinola on This Classical Life is included as a source, but maybe it can be used as an external link?
  •  Done

Release

• "The first poster for the twelfth series was released on 21 November 2019." The source does not say that this is the first poster.
  •  Done
• "The first trailer for the series was released on 23 November 2019, coinciding with the programme's fifty-sixth anniversary." Why two sources?
  • One for the teaser, one for the poster.
• "A second trailer was released on 2 December 2019 alongside news of the series's premiere date." Inline source does not say this is the second trailer.
  •  Done
• "The BBC confirmed after the eleventh series's finale that the twelfth series would premiere in "very early" 2020." I don't think this needs three sources.
  •  Done
• "continuing on from the format of the eleventh series, after regular episodes of the revived era had previously been broadcast on Saturdays." Not stated in inline citation.
  •  Done Sentence discusses how it continues on from the format of the eleventh series, so I used a source from the eleventh series article.
• "The "Spyfall" two-part episode was released in cinemas in the United States on 5 January 2020." The source seems to only say that for Part Two?
  • From the source: "which will include the New Year's Day special and the second episode ahead of the episode's premiere on television". This is both parts.

Progress

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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