Talk:Dialectology

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Sociolinguistics

The Sociolinguistics page currently has subheadings for variation linked to region, class, age, and gender. Each of these needs some attention. There is currently no information concerning regional variation on the Sociolinguistics page beyond a link to Dialectology. It would be wonderful if the Dialectology page editors would add a few lines to the Sociolinguistics page; it would also be great if someone(s) would undertake to create pages related to language and social class, age-linked language variation, and language and gender. Unfortunately I don't have the time to undertake any of these programs myself. I am therefore pleading for your help. I am also posting this message at the talk:Linguistlist and talk:Sociolinguistics pages. Cnilep (talk) 19:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Merge from Regiolect

The page Regiolect was merged into this one. Regiolect had no talk page. The page also cited no sources, so I have added a {fact} tag to the merged content. Cnilep (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I re-redirected Regiolect to Dialect, which is a more appropriate target. "Regiolect" is not a commonly used term, and the sentence added here had basically no content, so I have removed it; I did add mention of "regiolect" as an alternative term to the article Dialect, though. AJD (talk) 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Merge from Dialect

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Following discussion, the pages were merged. Cnilep (talk) 19:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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The page "Dialect" is rather long and may need cleanup. So I proprose to move some of its content, especially under "Concept of dialectology", into this article. Only some small adaptations would be necessary. Solejheyen (talk) 20:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Support merging that section into this page. Cnilep (talk) 21:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Types of dialectology

It's my understanding, after doing a bit of reading of Petyt (1980), that dialectology can be split into at least three types.

• Traditional dialectology
• Structural dialectology
• Generative dialectology

The last two especially are based in part on the dominant theoretical linguistic models, which means there may be even more paradigm-based variations of dialectology. It might be worth mentioning this in the article. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 01:46, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Subfield of sociolinguistics

Can dialectology be considered a subfield of socioliguistics when it'd been studied for decades before sociolinguistics was established? Epa101 (talk) 21:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes. It's not a matter of which came first but of what is the more general topic. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 21:40, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

What about old-fashioned dialectologists who reject the bulk of sociolinguistic theory? For example, Graham Shorrocks, who has investigated the speech of Newfoundland as well as his native Bolton. Epa101 (talk) 19:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I added a sentence on Shorrocks's view. After reading him more carefully, I concluded that he doesn't so much reject sociolinguistic theory as reject the criticisms that sociolinguists (in England at least) made of traditional dialectology. He also dislikes the sociolinguists' reliance on questionnaires, but I didn't mention that. Epa101 (talk) 13:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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I feel that this article did an excellent job at staying on topic, and I really liked how specific the author(s) were. It was interesting reading about the similarities in dialect between the Romance Languages, and about the Norwegian dialects. However, I do think it would be interesting to read something about the difference between certain dialects in Asia, such as Mandarin and Cantonese, and the regional dialects throughout Japan and Korea. There is a sufficient number of sources listed in the "References" and "Further Readings" sections, which are scholarly and strong, but I noticed the citation for the Cambridge University article was mentioned twice, with only slight differences between the two, and whether one was retrieved from a website was not determined in either of the citations. Furthermore, none of the claims seemed heavily biased, rather they are clear and thorough, and seem to be cited properly.

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"Dialects of" rubrics under History mislabeled

I've edited Dialects of Italian... to Italian dialects..., as none of the languages reported in the Sprach- und Sachatlas are dialects of Italian, and stating that they are misinforms readers conceptually and factually. Typologically, most are Gallo-Romance or Italo-Romance, sister languages of the Florentine that served as the basis for the eventual development of Italian, with the dialetti autochthonous, in no sense a dialect of or otherwise a variant of another language. In principle and mutatis mutandis, the same is true of the atlas of France, as stated in the Wikipedia article dedicated to it: "The Atlas linguistique de la France (ALF, Linguistic Atlas of France) is an influential dialect atlas of Romance varieties in France" (emphasis added) -- not of dialects of French, as a glance at any number of its maps makes rather clear. Map 62 s'asseoir, for example, is replete with forms such as s'asir, s'aseta, s'asedre, and many others (diacritics of transcriptions stripped here), bearing the same relation to French s'asseoir that sintasi, s'assettare, setasi and many others in the Italian atlas do to Italian sedersi -- cognates in sister languages. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 02:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)