Talk:Death in Venice (film)

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I would offer the opinion that this article has now been upgraded to a sufficient standard not to require the tag calling for upgrading. --TTKK 07:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

It is embarassing to see a link with the "child abuse and pedophila in film" article. There is no abuse of any kind, in fact a 16 year old Tadzio who seems to have himself a very gay friend, is constantly teasing, provoking, and flirting with the old man. "Pedophilia" is borderline, "child abuse" is absurd. JayFBee June 2007

Hi. Of course there is no CSA, but there is a clear pedophile attraction both in the novella and the film Tony 14:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)Tony

Tadzio represents beauty and death and his mother is the mother of beauty and death. I wish people were not so darn literal. --24.251.17.123 (talk) 02:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

We should consider ourselves lucky that this marvellous film has not been labelled as "encouraging pedophilia", or some such politically correct puritanical rubbish, and banned. Don't laugh, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. I doubt Death In Venice could be made at all today, at least in any form dealing with this realistically. If it was re-made now, Tadzio would have to be played by a hirsute 30yo wrestler in a wet suit. Only then would those erotically-charged shots of Tadzio be politically acceptable. This is what we have become. 173.195.2.125 (talk) 22:33, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

In an 80's interview, costume designer Piero Tosi described the film, with its faded colours, as "una caramella ciucciata" (a sucked-out hard candy, as if someone has sucked the colour from it). He also said that he has not watched the movie again for that reason. --24.251.17.123 (talk) 02:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Is it known why Visconti changed "Aschenbach" from an author into a composer?

He did it to play with the Mahler-like character (for example, the death of the daughter). Bogarde looks like Mahler with moustache (which the composer donned at some time), and is almost his likeness in the cited scene. Not to mention Mahler`s music throughout the film and the fact that his friend quotes a Mahler fragment attributing it to Aschenbach. Mahler`s music was almost the last breathe of Romantic beauty, which is opposed by his devilish friend. In that confrontation between aesthetics there are also allusions to another Mann novel, Doktor Faustus, whose main character is a musician (although a revolutionary one, unlike Aschenbach). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larean57 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Wladyslaw Moes was 11 when the Manns saw him in Venice. Katia says the boy looked about 13. In the book "Tadzio" is 14 (?), how old is he supposed to be in the movie? 8 July 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.99.162 (talk) 02:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Correction: Moes was born 17 November 1900 therefore would be only 10 (not 11) when seen by the Manns in the summer of 1911. 21 October 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.126.40 (talk) 20:54, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Where did the name "Thaddeus" come from and who put it in this article? Mann slghtly misheard it as "Tadzio" but that's more accurate than "Thaddeus" which I've never seen before. The film makes him older than the 10 year old Moes actually was. And, yes, Bogarde as Aschenbach is not only changed into a composer rather than author but is deliberately made up to look like Mahler whose music is heard throughout.Ed (talk) 01:21, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

I just watched the movie and I don't understand the 'heart attack' thing in the Plot section. In the novel like in the movie, the main character dies of cholera (the Wikipedia Cholera page even references this movie). Period. -- Mictateur (talk) 00:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

@Mictateur: In the movie he died of a heart attack (see 20-th minute), maybe complicated by cholera. --95.24.65.207 (talk) 16:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

August von Platen-Hallermünde, a source for " Gustav von Aschenbach", also dies of cholera on an Italian island. Note that "Gustav" is virtually an anagram of August and that von Platen was born in Ansbach, a likely source of "Aschenbach". 19 May 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.67.232 (talk) 12:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Björn was literally directed by adult men to act seductive towards them because they wanted to fuck him. He’s spoken out for years about the grooming he went through at the hands of these pedophiles. This ABSOLUTELY is a film that deals with child abuse because a child was abused to make it. RedRedRowan (talk) 13:03, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

What they did was wrong but he was 15 or 16 when the movie was made. You are cheapening "paedophilia" by claiming the attraction to a young adult is so; it isn't. Grooming and molestation (not an non-acted upon attraction) is wrong but actual paedophilia is more horrifying by its nature and not at all natural, biologically speaking. At least Andresen is physically capable of producing offspring, eight year old boys are not. There lies the rub. 195.213.86.76 (talk) 08:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

What the actual fuck. That is still pedophilia. It is messed up that this book is exalted as high art. It is not. At least the old creepy man in Lolita knows he's creepy. And Thomas Mann's diary details he had a physical attraction to his son when he was 11 years old. Why are we defending this clearly depraved author? 2601:2C1:C100:ED00:9568:4A74:4017:9F31 (talk) 00:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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