Talk:Dear Zindagi

Redirect

In this edit I redirected the article to Gauri Shinde. There was no effort made to establish that the film had begun principal photography, which is Film Article 101. Per WP:NFF:

Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date. The assumption should also not be made that because a film is likely to be a high-profile release it will be immune to setbacks—there is no "sure thing" production. Until the start of principal photography, information on the film might be included in articles about its subject material, if available. Sources must be used to confirm the start of principal photography after shooting has begun. (Emphasis theirs)

Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Redirected the article again here because at no point in these 24 edits by 16 users did anyone fulfill the first step in establish a film's notability, proving that principal photography has begun. See WP:NFF Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Ali Zafar in Dear Zindagi?

Hi!

Why the name of Ali Zafar has been removed from the article, without providing any proof or valid source? Yes there is news about dropping "scenes" of him from "trailer" only, but no one has yet published news about his removal from movie-team or whole movie. I think he would remain in it.

• http://m.thehindu.com/features/cinema/srkalia-starrer-dear-zindagi-first-look-unveiled/article9235614.ece
• http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/dear-zindagi-alia-bhatt-shah-rukh-khan-3090045/
• http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/music/sony-music-acquires-music-rights-of-dear-zindagi-starring-alia-bhatt-3059178/
• http://www.news18.com/news/movies/dear-zindagi-first-look-shah-rukh-khan-alia-bhatt-will-drive-your-midweek-blues-away-1302937.html
• http://m.indiatoday.in/story/dear-zindagi-trailer-ali-zafar-shah-rukh-khan-alia-bhatt-gauri-shinde-pak-actors-ban/1/789629.html
• http://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/latest-hindi-movie-news-bollywood-movies-news-updates/bollywood/Pakistani-actor-Ali-Zafar-to-not-be-a-part-of-Dear-Zindagi-trailer/photostory/54914025.cms
• http://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/bollywood/181016/pakistani-actor-ali-zafars-part-in-dear-zindagi-will-not-see-the-light-of-day.html

Please check the links provided as reference (without ref tags). Thanks! M.Billoo2000 (talk) 04:38, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: His name was removed here, here and here by IP 128.185.17.20 with no explanation. I think it's pretty clear based on this link you provided that he is featured in the movie, and thus he should be included in the cast list. That said, the source doesn't say he received a starring role, so I would probably leave him out of the Infobox's |starring= parameter and out of the lead. "Starring" ≠ "appearing in". It's a special credit that actors usually negotiate for. If a film has not been released, it is vital that additions to the cast section be supported by reliable sources, as Wikipedia is not a 'crystal ball'. I have added the reference in this edit. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Soundtrack

Hi Hcns!

What has been done on Soundtrack section of the article? Added same track "twice"?!! Why??? And who calls that adding a note is "Vandalism"?!!

Please add "time" after "release of soundtrack album OFFICIALLY"!!!

By the way, "Love You Zindagi" is title track of the movie, according to this official video, then why here is mentioned "Promotional Song" and from where it has been referenced?

Thanks! M.Billoo2000 (talk) 18:47, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

There's a difference between promotional song (or promotional video song) and actual song(full track) for the same song. One have to mention this here and from the difference between two reliable sources mentioned in the Track listing section it's clear now. Both are official. That note was impractical to an extent.

"Please add "time" after "release of soundtrack album OFFICIALLY"!!!" - I can't get this phrase of yours. Thanks. Hcns (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Request for page protection

Hi! After taking a look on recent edits, I think there should be "page protection". Thanks! M. Billoo 07:41, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: What are some of the problems that warrant page protection? I don't see many edits in the history labeled as vandalism. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 12:22, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Not saying because of vandalism, but because mostly anonymous users are (were) adding and removing material without any good edit summary. And on your edit on "critical reception", I want to ask that how to provide meaningful encyclopedic context? Also there have been some other symbols used. Thanks! M. Billoo 23:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: When we write critical response sections, ideally we want to organize ideas in some clear way. For instance, let's say that we want to discuss cinematography, acting, and storyline, we would write in such a way to link reviewer opinions and use light quotations to support our summaries. Like:

The film's cinematography received attention from critics, several of whom praised the wide sweeping shots used throughout the dance sequences. "Brilliant," said John Doe of ABC Times, who gave the film 3 stars out of 5. "I felt as though I was flying." Rory Sen of DEF Bugle wrote, "I was transported to the crisp verdant hills of Switzerland. The techniques used by Salman Croix were astounding." These sentiments were not felt by Roy Smythe of DEF Times who described the photography as "dizzying ... I thought I was going to throw up. However, the acting was spot on and I found Mamta Bloggs to be believable and adorable." Bloggs' portrayal of the street urchin was described as "hilarious and lovable. I wanted to adopt her. Bloggs had amazing chemistry with Hrithik Jones, who did an excellent job of eliciting tears as the kind-hearted businessman."

That's ideally what these sections should look like, but I know it's very time-consuming and difficult to write. That said, quotations should still be used sparingly, as we can't base large sections of the article on excerpted content. Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:54, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Thanks! Hmm... surely it would be time consuming. I am not good at that point to take one point from each critic. M. Billoo 12:46, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I pressed the SAVE button accidentally, I was still editing... M. Billoo 20:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

@M.Billoo2000: At the very least, the extracted quotes should be succinct and not be repetitive or ramble on. As for this, I appreciate your attempt, but I think the result is somewhat problematic as we've basically wound up burying the negative reviews at the bottom of a wall of positive reviews, which tends to make it difficult to get a neutral perspective on the critical response. There were numerous negative reviews, like Indian Express, DNA, Firstpost, Bollywood Hungama, Deccan Chronicle, etc. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:09, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Sorry, I have seen your messages just now... Maybe I understood what you are saying, but I don't know how to correct that... I tried to pick one or two special points from critics. Here, some users have added possible "ratings by critics" (this is what I have started here). Also, most have mentioned like "SRK and Bhatt were good", "Beautiful chemistry between two leads" or etc., so I made it one line as, "Most critics praised SRK and Bhatt", which shouldn't be...... Most critics also have told movie plot or story, which was also added here. Could you please please make them better? Thanks! M. Billoo 22:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2016

Fameganesh92 (talk) 04:54, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

No request made. -- Dane2007 ^talk 06:15, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Dear Zindagi/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Bluesphere (talk · contribs) 07:34, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, I will give this one a review. This might take me a few days so bear with me. Bluesphere 07:34, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience. Here are my comments:

Lead

• Is Dear Life the movie's official English-language title? If not, then it's not supposed to be italicized. Please substitute it with a {{literal translation}} and put the English translation of the title, sans the italics.

 Done

• Principal photography took place in Goa and Mumbai. Why not complete this sentence by adding the dates it began and ended shooting?

 Done

Plot

• The film is set in Mumbai and Goa. Either you remove this entirely or just use it as a dependent clause (without wikilinks) for the sentence Kaira is a promising cinematographer who wishes to direct her own films. (i.e. In Mumbai and Goa, Kaira is a promising cinematographer...)

 Done

• The movie ends with a viewing of Kaira's short film... Don't say "the movie ends", nor write in this tense in plot summary. Consider rewording this accordingly.

 Not done Please illustrate an example.

• As I said, just state how the movie ends; no need to include "the movie ends". Bluesphere 13:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done

• He convinces her that she doesn't need to forgive her parents for abandoning her, Avoid contractions in encyclopedic writing per MOS:N'T

 Done

Cast

• Since some of the names here are sourced, you might as well provide sources for the other players.

 Not done You still haven't sourced the other names. Bluesphere 13:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Already  Done All names in the "Cast" section are listed in the fourth source.

Development and casting

• Can you add something about how the director came across the idea for the film? Is the premise conceived from a personal experience of the director or someone with whom she's well acquainted?

 Done

• The editing for the film was headed by Hemanti Sarkar. The dialog team consisted of Krishna Hariharan, Gauri Shinde and Kausar Munir. Laxman Utekar was the cinematographer of the film, and Rupin Suchak was the film's production designer. Did these crew members previously worked with the director? If so, then what factors influenced her decision to hire them again in her next film? While we're at it please provide wikilinks to editing, cinematographer and production designer.

 Done, except for "If so, then what factors influenced her decision to hire them again in her next film?" because there is no source about it.

Filming and post-production

• Wikilink for Principal photographying.

 Not done Already linked in lead.

Critical reception

• This section borders in WP:QUOTEFARM, so convert some of the quotations here into prose. The positive reviews of the India section could also use a trimming. Just remove the reviews from Rediff.com, Wion Tv and NDTV; print reviews are more encouraged.

 Done for "Just remove the reviews from Rediff.com, Wion Tv and NDTV; print reviews are more encouraged." but  Not done for "This section borders in WP:QUOTEFARM, so convert some of the quotations here into prose. The positive reviews of the India section could also use a trimming." Please illustrate an example how to covert quotations into prose.

• Instead of quoting directly from the source, you must interpret in your own words the critics' reaction to the film. Bluesphere 13:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done

And that's it. I'll put this one on hold as you fix these concerns I raised. In case you have questions, you don't need to ping me; I have put this review page into my watchlist. Good luck. Bluesphere 14:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Further comments are welcome. Mr. Smart LION 10:55, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

• See above

All issues fixed. Mr. Smart LION 08:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

No you haven't, there's still one concern unresolved. I said provide sources to all the names in the Cast section; and why are the names of the actors added in the Plot section? Please remove them. Bluesphere 09:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

All names in the "Cast" section are listed in the fourth source. Open the link and check out the names. So all names in the "Cast" section are sourced. And as for the names of the actors added in the "Plot" section, please see good articles at Portal:Bollywood. Scroll down the page and check out the good articles. All GA articles have actors names in the "Plot" section. Mr. Smart LION 15:17, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

It appears that I am not making myself clear. Have a look at the article The Hunted (1995 film) so that you would understand what I want you to do with the Cast section. On second thought, the concerns are rather addressed. There you go, Passed Bluesphere 15:27, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

New page for 'Soundtrack'

@Cyphoidbomb and Mr. Smart LION: Hi! What are your thoughts on creating a new page for the soundtrack? The similar info can be removed from this page, and added in new page with additional info. Check this: User:M.Billoo2000/sandbox/Dear Zindagi (soundtrack). Thanks! M. Billoo 04:33, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

The page looks nice to me. Let Cyphoidbomb speak on it. Mr. Smart LION 13:16, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Provided that the notability criteria is met (see WP:NALBUM), it is probably fine. The project on a whole doesn't seem to like Controversy sections, as they tend to needlessly draw attention to what are typically negative events. This presents a bit of a POV issue. However the content is fine, but maybe incorporate it somewhere intuitive like in a production section or something? Some of the content, specifically release dates in the Music videos section needs referencing. But overall a strong effort, Billoo. Good work. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:32, 8 September 2017 (UTC)