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Tributaries of the Cumberland in Davidson County

Although the old Tennessee Gazateer lists Poplar Creek and Sycamore Creek as important tributaries of the Cumberland in Davidson County, I wasn't able to find either of them in the 1982 Cumberland River Navigational Charts or the 1994 U.S. Geological Survey Water-Data Report for Tennessee. All of the other tributaries could be found in both modern references. I imagine they have either disappeared due to dams or other development or been renamed. I have removed them from the list for now. Kaldari 01:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

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Davidson County, TN versus NC

Please note the reference to NC, which appears to be a typo since this article is dicussing Davidson, TN.

"Davidson County is the oldest county in Middle Tennessee. It dates to 1783, when the North Carolina legislature created the county and named it in honor of William Lee Davidson, a North Carolina officer who died in the Revolutionary War on January 1, 1782."

74.223.187.42 (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

That's not a typo. If I understand the history correctly, Tennessee was part of North Carolina at that time, and the county was created by the North Carolina legislature. --Orlady (talk) 20:37, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Correct. Kaldari (talk) 21:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

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Politics

There are some facts that are most certainly notable, such as that Davidson has trended more Democratic (a shift that has largely been overshadowed by the state's rightward trend), and that Joe Biden won the highest percentage of the popular vote since FDR, a fact that is particularly significant, considering he won a higher share than Southern Democratic presidents, including Tennessee native Al Gore. There are likely more, but those two come to mind. Bneu2013 (talk) 19:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Update - found source that directly describes Nashville as trending blue while the rest of the state trends red. Also, comparing the presidential election results to other counties in Tennessee is not original research; the source is to Dave Leip's Atlas of Presidential Elections, which covers elections in every state and county in the U.S. Bneu2013 (talk) 18:04, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bneu2013: Dave's Atlas has come under scrutiny before, as it is self-published, and a gateway to a pay site. Could you please direct me to the specific place in that source that supports: "Like most large urban counties, Davidson County is a Democratic stronghold"? Magnolia677 (talk) 18:19, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

If the source is unreliable, then maybe we should stop using it on nearly every U.S. county article. I think the conclusion that Davidson is a Democratic stronghold is obvious, just from looking at the Presidential results. However, these two sources ([1] [2]) in use below essentially confirm this. Bneu2013 (talk) 18:25, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bneu2013: The article in the Tennessean is behind a paywall, however, the NBC article is about Nashville, not Davidson County. Several cities, like Oak Hill, Tennessee, are in Davidson County, but not in Nashville. So again, where is a source to support that "most large urban counties" are Democratic strongholds? The NBC article states that Nashville voted Democrat in the 2020 election. How is that a "stronghold"? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Nashville is a consolidated city-county with Davidson County, so the enumerated population of Nashville consists of about 97% of the population of Davidson County (see census website). Here is an archived snapshot of the Tennessean article. The stronghold refers to the fact that Davidson County consistently has voted Democratic over multiple election cycles, not just 2020. The NBC article says "But Nashville, long one of two major metropolitan blue dots in a deep red state, is also a community where nearly 42 percent of residents are Black, Latino or Asian, in line with many of the country's large and mid-size cities. Much like the country around it, about 13.5 percent of Nashville residents are immigrants." The first sentence describes it as consistently voting Democratic, and the latter implies some of the reasons why it votes the way it does. Bneu2013 (talk) 19:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bneu2013: Let's try to tease out the facts from this source. Nashville (not Davidson County):

• has long been one of two major metropolitan areas in Tennessee that vote Democrat.
• is 42 percent Black, Latino or Asian, in line with many large and mid-size cities in the United States.
• is about 13.5 percent immigrants, much like the United States.

I see how this implies that Nashville is a "Democratic stronghold", but where is it suggested that "most large urban counties" in the United States are democratic strongholds? Magnolia677 (talk) 21:43, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

The Dave Leip source would probably be appropriate for this, but if necessary, I can find a better source. Bneu2013 (talk) 22:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bneu2013: Could we remove that sentence until a source is found? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:12, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: - I've added a source that should be appropriate. Bneu2013 (talk) 22:28, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bneu2013: You wrote, "Republicans have carried the county only during national landslides (except Dwight D. Eisenhower in both of his elections and Ronald Reagan in his first election in 1980)". Where specifically can I find this in the source you cited? Magnolia677 (talk) 23:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't specifically remember writing that; I think that was already there. You can find the individual election results on that website by clicking on a state and manipulating the dropdowns. The URL remains the same, however. Also this needs to be rewritten; most reliable sources describe all of those elections as landslides. Bneu2013 (talk) 23:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bneu2013: You added it here when you reverted my edit. I left detailed reasons for removing the text, and you reverted it. So please either revert your edit, or provide an explanation of how Dave's Atlas supports, "Republicans have carried the county only during national landslides" and "The last Republican president to carry this county was George H.W. Bush in 1988". Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:32, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: - Sorry for the delay in responding. Again, this data can be found by manipulating the dropdowns. However, I think some of the county-level data requires a subscription. I'd be open to simplifying this to something like "Republicans have only carried Davidson County on a few occasions." Bneu2013 (talk) 14:38, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bneu2013: There have been multiple discussions about the reliability of the source you added, and if you don't even know if the information you added in fact has a source, then could you please revert it. If you are able to find a reliable source to support "Republicans have only carried Davidson County on a few occasions", then of course keep it, but at this point it is unsourced original research. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: - I have gone ahead and removed it for now. Can you please provide me with the links to these discussions about Dave Leip's Atlas? These ([3], [4], [5]) are the only discussions that reference that source that I could find at WP:RSP, and only one brings up serious objections to its reliability, of which there is a counterargument. The article actually mentions that several prominent media outlets of which there is a consensus of reliability on Wikipedia routinely use the source. Bneu2013 (talk) 02:53, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bneu2013: See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1058#User:TylerKutschbach - mass unsourced changes and ignoring talk page requests. There were also discussions on that editor's talk page. There were discussions on individual articles as well, but I am not about to locate them. The concern is that historical county results are are added to articles, but when editors are asked how and where they retrieved that data from Dave's Atlas, they are not able to explain. This leads me to ask where you specifically located a source to support: "In 2020, Joe Biden won the highest percentage of the popular vote in the county of any presidential candidate since 1944, whereas Biden and Hillary Clinton in 2016 only carried two other counties in the state, Shelby and Haywood, the fewest counties a Democratic presidential candidate has ever carried in the state's history". Thank you again. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:48, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@Magnolia677: - I believe that data is only accessible with a subscription, which I have. Bneu2013 (talk) 17:05, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)