Talk:David Hale (baseball)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk · contribs) 03:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 03:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• Link infielder on first mention
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• No comma needed after bullpen
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”He was designated for assignment” – “Hale was designated for assignment” to avoid possible misreading.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• Don’t need comma after April 2016
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”Yankees and Twins, but, after” – End the sentence after Twins, take out the but, and start the next sentence with After
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• The part about him being traded to make room for A. J. Cole isn’t mentioned later in the article. Either add it in or take it out entirely, as the lead is supposed to summarize what comes later.
  •  Done I got my facts wrong, it was Stults who pushed him out of the Rockies' rotation, Cole was for the Yankees Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Early life

• Link infielder on first mention
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”He was primarily an infielder, and committed to play” – “Primarily an infielder, Hale committed to play”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”began to pitch for Walker, and began to draw the interest” – “began to pitch for Walker, drawing the interest”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

College career

• ”at Princeton”, - I don’t think you actually need the comma at all here.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”earning three hits” – “recording three hits”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• Also, link hit on first mention
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”Later that season, Hale pitched a complete game win in the first game of a doubleheader against Cornell University. Although Princeton won the first game 7–5, they lost” – You can cut down on the words a bit by saying “Later that season, Hale pitched a complete game in the first game of a doubleheader against Cornell University. Although Princeton won 7–5, they lost”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• Don’t need comma after innings in that sentence
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• You refer to at-bats with a hyphen in some places and without in others. Both are correct, but pick one for consistency’s sake.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• Date of the University of Delaware victory?
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”Hale held to a” – “Hale posted a”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• Link strikeouts on first mention
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”for holding to a 0.00 ERA” – “for posting a 0.00 ERA”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”For the week of April 28” – “During the week of April 28”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Minor league career (2009-2013)

• Link error
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”climbing to a 7.99 ERA” – “seeing his ERA climb to 7.99”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• Date of the game against Salem?
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• Also, don’t need a comma after Red Sox
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• Don’t need to link complete game here, since it is already linked earlier.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”He went 8-4” – “Hale went 8-4” to avoid possible misreading
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”between July 20 and August 1, and kept to a 2.00 ERA” – “between July 20 and August 1, posting a 2.00 ERA”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”At the time of his recall to the majors” – “With Gwinnett” – Since Hale was called up on September 5, it is safe to say his minor league season was over.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”He additionally recorded” – this is just nit-picky, but don’t need additionally.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 20:50, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Atlanta Braves (2013-2014)

• ”against the San Diego Padres, the most of any Braves pitcher in his debut, but the Braves went on to lose the game 4–3.” – “against the San Diego Padres. Though this was the most of any Braves pitcher in his debut, the Braves went on to lose the game 4–3.”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”was when Venable batted against Ross Ohlendorf of the Pittsburgh Pirates and Washington Nationals” – “were two instances when Venable batted against Ross Ohlendorf” – That way, people won’t read this and accidentally think Ohlendorf was with two teams at once.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”in relief for the Braves' 2–1 loss” – “in relief during the Braves’ 2-1 loss”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”named as the” – “named the”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”fourth starter, as part of a five-man” – “fourth starter in a five-man”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• It doesn’t look like Hale was actually the closer. He finished 13 games but never recorded a save. Maybe switch this to the total number of relief appearances he made.
  •  Done changed the wording to "finishing 13" rather than "closing" Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:07, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Colorado Rockies (2015)

• ”the offseason signing” – “the later signing”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”He was assigned” – “Hale was assigned”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”to begin 2015 and steadily improved over the early part of the season” – “to begin 2015, where, after a rough start, his performance steadily improved.”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”on June 2, 2015 and pitched” – “on June 2, pitching that day”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Minor league journeyman (2016–2018)

• ”starts and raising his ERA to 5.71, but found his stride on August 1, when he” – “starts and seeing his ERA rise to 5.71. However, on August 1, he”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• Don’t need comma after 2017 season
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”another minor league contract with the Dodgers” – “another minor league contract, this time with the Dodgers.”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• Don’t need comma after 4.74 ERA
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”In three of his starts” – “In three of Hale’s starts” – then change “caught for Hale” to “caught for him.”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hanwha Eagles (2018)

• No corrections here, just wanted to commend you on finding so much information about his time in Korea. This stuff is often a pain in the neck to find!
  • Thank you! I was lucky he gave an interview about it later Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

New York Yankees (2019-2020)

• ”He started with” – “He started the season with” and you already make clear later on that he started as a starter.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”designated Hale for assignment to make room on the postseason roster for Aaron Hicks and CC Sabathia” – “designated Hale for assignment when Aaron Hicks and CC Sabathia were added to the postseason roster” Since Hale wasn’t designated for assignment to make room for both of them. Or, you could see if you can find a source that makes clear whether Hicks or Sabathia was coming off the 60-day DL (the one you’ve got now doesn’t say).
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Philadelphia Phillies (2020–present)

• Maybe put the combined stats between Philadelphia and New York?
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”deal with the Phillies” – “deal to remain with the Phillies”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”would regularly be able” – “would not regularly be able”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
• You’ll need to find another source for this (such as Baseball-Reference), but I would point out that Hale only allowed one run in three innings in the 6-0 loss.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 21:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Pitching style

• ”When signing him to the Phillies, manager Joe Girardi referred to Hale as” – “When the Phillies signed Hale, manager Joe Girardi referred to him as”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• I would take out the last sentence. If Hale stays with the team a while, this could change, and it’s probably not going to be worth that much of a mention as his career continues to progress.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Personal life

• ”Their first child together, Calder,” – “Their first child, Calder,” unless we have evidence he had another child.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• ”during the offseason, and graduated in 2011” – “during the offseason, graduating in 2011”
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• Take out “Although” at the start of the second sentence and put “but” before Hale’s thesis advisor. Then, end the sentence at instead and start a new one.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

References

• For ref 8, list Princeton University as the publisher to be consistent with the other refs.
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• Make sure ref 22 is formatted the same way as the other Atlanta Journal-Constitution refs
  •  Done Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
• If Internet Archive is working, might want to archive ref 51, since MLB.com only seems to keep articles around for a few years.
  •  Done Apparently it had already been archived a few times! Bot must have missed it Kncny11 ^(shoot) 16:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

• Looks good, mostly minor changes! Let me know once you’ve made them! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 03:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

• In spite of last night's game, I can't find anything wrong with this article now and must pass it! :) Excellent work! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 11:45, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by BlueMoonset (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Reclosing as withdrawn rather than rejected based on nominator's statement shortly before close earlier today.

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David Hale pitching for the Atlanta Braves

• ... that, after suffering a pitching injury, David Hale (pictured) went back to Princeton University to write a thesis on how injuries affect pitchers? Source: "Majoring in operations research and financial engineering, he studied how baseball statistics might provide indicators for arm injuries. Hale, who had authored a breakout season in relief before going on the injured list on July 31 with a lumbar spine strain, had originally wanted to write about stock-market indicators, his likely profession had baseball not panned out."
  • ALT1:... that in 2020, the New York Yankees released and re-signed David Hale (pictured) on the same day? Source: "That required the Yankees to release and then immediately re-sign the 32-year-old.")

• Reviewed: Joan Boada
• Comment: The Athletic source is behind a paywall.

Improved to Good Article status by GhostRiver (talk). Self-nominated at 14:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC).

• Hi Kncny11, review follows: article promoted to GA on 20 June; is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't find any overly close paraphrasing from a sample of the sources; a QPQ has been carried out; image is OK and freely licensed. Couple of minor issues with the hooks as proposed:

• ALT0: I couldn't find the date of his thesis mentioned in the article, it only discusses his graduation in 2011, did he go back after? His lumbar injury was in 2019 according to the article, though there is mention of a groin strain in 2015.
• ALT1: The article doesn't say that he was released and re-signed on the same day, only that he was "briefly released"

Other than that, looking good - Dumelow (talk) 07:20, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

• @GhostRiver: Please return to this nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
• Nominator has not returned to the nomination despite multiple pings and talk page messages, despite activity elsewhere. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:29, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Apologies. I have been dealing with a mental health diagnosis that makes the more social aspects of Wikipedia difficult, hence my individual editing. As it stands, it's difficult to find anything interesting about this man, so I'm fine with dropping the nom. — GhostRiver 14:18, 7 August 2021 (UTC)