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boosterism and puff

Lede: Too much detail. Things like "72.8 classroom teachers" are tough to take seriously. "Prospective Choice participants must be residents of Union County eligible for placement in grades 7-10" -- Wikipedia is not a course catalogue. Stuff like "(if there are more applicants than available slots" is way too detailed.

History: Too much detail. "David Brearley Regional High School was chosen in March 1964" doesn't matter if it was March or April, in this context. "air conditioning and electric heating": this is not relevant for an encyclopedia, more for a school scrapbook.

Athletics: this is a laundry list and needs to be radically reduced, focussing on which teams are at the school, but not on a random list of various matches, games, etc.

Noted alumni: too much boosterism in the text after their names. One or two words describing them is more than enough. One click will lead readers to more info, if they seek it.

Melchior2006 (talk) 09:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Since no one chimed in, made suggestion, or improvement, or objected, I streamlined and deboostered. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 09:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I have tried to discuss with you on your talk page and elsewhere to indicate that you have never indicated how "Boosterism" applies here or what part of the WP:BOOSTERISM essay has any relevance here. The details you removed about being among the first schools to be air conditioned are directly from a source and the descriptions of notables are neutral wording taken directly from their articles. Details about the current construction project and particularly the Holocaust education project are hardly "boosterism", even by the most charitable possible definition of what you might mean.

Again, as with all articles, your persistent use of the Wikipedia:Avoid academic boosterism essay as a justification to delete content while being unwilling to explain how it applies makes it impossible to have any meaningful discussion here or at any other article. Using your made-up word "deboostered" to mean deleting anything in the article you don't like, doesn't help. Alansohn (talk) 12:54, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

"notable" alumni don't seem that notable

I suggest deleting the section on notable alumni, because they're not. Winning the NY marathon once is enough for notability? Or: playing for six seasons in the National Football League? This is the sort of trivia we are trying to reduce to keep Wiki articles from degenerating into boosterism. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 01:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Winning the NY marathon once is enough for notability?

It sure is. To the best of my knowledge, every single man and women who has won the New York City Marathon in its 50+ years has a Wikipedia article in which the fact that they won the race is a fundamental aspect of their notability.

Or: playing for six seasons in the National Football League?

Damn straight, yes!

The standard for such lists is being notable, and having an article is the optimal indication of that. A genuinely deep and fundamental flaw of Wikipedia is that sane, rational editors are obligated to waste their time dealing with editors who have thousands of edits, but have gained zero understanding of anything about how Wikipedia works and who espouse truly off-the-wall challenges and claims like this that have to be addressed with complete seriousness. God help us all. God help every editor who has to put up with crap like this. Alansohn (talk) 02:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. First off, I would like to ask you (again) to use a more civil tone. Second, I think the problem here is a person's notability in general (meriting a Wikipedia article) and notability for the Wikipedia article about the school's alumni. There is a difference. Otherwise, every single person who graduated from the school and has a Wiki article about them would have to be listed, and that is not reasonable. --Melchior2006 (talk) 12:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

In the past I've had to deal with your perpetual allegations of WP:BOOSTERISM, which you have refused to explain or justify and yet bring up again here as an excuse for deletion, even though Wikipedia:Avoid academic boosterism is an essay about colleges and universities. Now the deletionist meme of the day is that people should only be listed as notable alumni if they are so super-duper notable that they've won multiple New York City Marathons or played for multiple decades in the NFL; there is simply no such standard. There are five people listed in this article as notable alumni. They have articles that establish that they meet the WP:NOTABILITY standard, which is the criteria for inclusion and they have reliable and verifiable sources that connect them to the school. This is a standard that is accepted by 99.999% of Wikipedia editors. But not you, and based on nothing more than you just don't like it. If the list gets too long here, or at any other article, the list of notable alumni can be split off to a separate standalone article, such as what was done for List of Lawrenceville School alumni. I get it; you like deleting stuff. But the persistent failure to learn fundamental Wikipedia policies and consensus makes it truly challenging to take your constant and ever-evolving series of rationalizations to delete content seriously, yet here I am again dealing with this as a serious issue. Alansohn (talk) 17:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

is the "sending relationship" with other districts relevant enough for the lede?

Alansohn keeps putting this information back into the lede, but it seems very minor to me. I could imagine that it might have significance for the lede if the number of "sent" and "received" students is significant, but it would have to be a substantial part of the student body. Again, these NJ articles on schools suffer from overload of insignificant details, we are trying to improve them by streamlining and improving the tiring style of writing. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 12:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)