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On 15 October 2012, it was proposed that this article be moved from Datura stramonium to Jimsonweed. The result of the discussion was not moved.

1992 1993 santa ana river overdose death

recreational use

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I believe the recreational use of Datura is prominent enough for it to have it's own section under uses. Swedishfish98 (talk) 18:02, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Roma gypsies smoked jimsonweed and brought the plant to Europe from India

Latest comment: 1 year ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Gypsies brought the plant to Europe from India

Sources for verification: https://www.herbalgram.org/resources/herbalgram/issues/69/table-of-contents/article2930/

https://www.academia.edu/20165214/Historical_evidence_for_a_pre_Columbian_presence_of_Datura_in_the_Old_World_and_implications_for_a_first_millennium_transfer_from_the_New_World

http://medicinalherbinfo.org/000Herbs2016/1herbs/jimson-weed/ 89.26.247.77 (talk) 00:11, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

This edit uses a source you provided (now with the correct formatting - see WP:CIT) and is repositioned in the folk medicine section. Its uses in folk medicine and spiritualism are adequately discussed and sourced. Please stop inserting unreliable (spam herbal medicine) sources and edit warring. Zefr (talk) 00:20, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Zefr The article currently states "Romani people may have introduced jimsonweed to Europe." The source cited says, "The tropane alkaloids of Datura (Datura stramonium) were introduced to European medicine by Romany immigrants (gypsies)."

Along with the fact that it is from the Americas I think an error has been introduced here. Given that the Romani people arrived in Europe in the 13th or 14th century according to the wiki article, I'm fairly sure they didn't introduce the plant to Europe and I'm also somewhat skeptical of the source. It is not about the enthnobotanical history of Datura, but primarily about "Chemotaxonomy and geographical distribution of tropane alkaloids".

What's your opinion? 🌿MtBotany (talk) 17:43, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

MtBotany - I agree with your skepticism and defer to your edit or removal. Thanks. Zefr (talk) 18:11, 18 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

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