Talk:Consolidated C-87 Liberator Express

Specifications

Needs Specs, doesn't even have a section for it. --Colputt 20:11, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Prototype

I don't see how the prototype could have been a B-24D that crashed in 1943 since C-87 deliveries to Army Air Transport Command commenced in the fall of 1942.SamMcGowan (talk) 20:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

RY

No mention of the RY variant of the U.S. Navy. Drutt (talk) 13:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have a reference with information about actual use of the aircraft by the USN? It's my understanding that the Navy sometimes assigned designations to USAAF aircraft it evaluated but never actually ordered. If the Navy actually ordered and used the RY, I'd be eager to hear about it. I'd also be curious to know whether they used the "Liberator Express" name considering that their ASW patrol variant of the B-24 was called the PB4Y Privateer. ("Privateer Express"?) Carguychris (talk) 14:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

References noted, RY added. Carguychris (talk) 21:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Huh?

"The aircraft could also become unstable in flight if its center of gravity shifted due to improper cargo loading. This longitudinal instability arose from the aircraft's hasty conversion from bomber to cargo transport." So what? Name one airplane that DOESN'T become unstable if its loaded out of limits. That's why flight crews compute weight and balance. SamMcGowan (talk) 20:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

The C-87 was relatively unforgiving of improper loading compared to other USAAF transports. The section is poorly worded; I've been meaning to rewrite it but I've never gotten around to it. Carguychris (talk) 14:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

C-109

Just added a variant list to the aticle but I didnt include the C-109 (since added by another user). As the C-109 is a direct conversion of the B-24 and not related to the C-87 does it really belong in this article? MilborneOne (talk) 22:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, I agree that it really doesn't belong here, especially since the B-24 article already discusses the C-109. I'd vote for deleting the C-109 references. Anyone else have an opinion? Carguychris (talk) 21:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

C-109 redirects here, so I added a section, and plan to take it out of 'variants'. I didn't spot it under B-24. Alanf777 (talk) 05:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

(Redirected from C-109 Liberator Express) ... which is what google gave me ... I found instructions on how to redirect a page, but not how to change a redirect Alanf777 (talk) 01:26, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I RE-redirected C-109 Liberator Express to the B-24 page!!! Maybe we should leave a link in this page to note the difference? I'll copy some stuff from here .. eg the C-109 picture and then clean this page up. Whew!!!Alanf777 (talk)

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nose door

the text of this article claimed that "the glassed-in (glazed) nose compartment was replaced with a hinged door for cargo loading". Not only does this literally mean that the entire nose was removed and replaced with a hatch roughly level with the forward cockpit bulkhead, the implication is that this was added as a variant of modern cargo doors, to aid in loading cargo straight into the plane. This is a physical impossibility with a Liberator. The only communication between the nose and main fuselage is by crawling under the cockpit floor for several feet, beside the retracted main gear. You would find it easier to load cargo via the original crew hatch. They added the door to make the nose compartment into usable cargo space, because it would be basically unusable space otherwise, since it can't be reached from the main fuselage with any degree of ease. The alternative would be to raise the cockpit 4 or 5 feet, which would be a major structural alteration, and which would defeat the purpose of the C-87 idea. So the plane is divided into a main cargo hold, with a cargo door, and a fore cargo hold with a cargo door, for lighter, miscellaneous cargo. Some would also say a rear cargo hold in the rear fuselage space, also for lighter cargo, but accessed via the main door.

64.223.93.166 (talk) 21:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)