Talk:Cheval de frise

Haven't see the requested move rational yet, but NO

• The rational might be that Frise refers to Frisia and is thus a proper noun. Do you drink champagne, or Champagne? I drink the former and think this rule applies here as well. No on-line dictionary supports capitalization, and none of the sources in the article support capitalization. Nice idea, but NO. Smallbones (talk) 20:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

misplaced focus in history section

This article places more importance on Robert Erskine than the general use of chevaux de frize in US military history. They were used in the Hudson River during the Revolution as a major attempt at preventing British ship movement. General history of these objects would suit this article better. Why is cheval capitalized? Since this is the name of a type of object, shouldn't it be "cheval de frize?" Declair (talk) 20:35, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Unsupported conjecture

"The Frisians, having little cavalry of their own, relied heavily on such anti-cavalry obstacles." is unsupported conjecture, and quite possibly wrong. It should be removed, as it contributes little to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.250.130.225 (talk) 08:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Surviving samples of "cheval de frise" at Iron Age villages

These fortification elements were common during the Iron Age not only in Northern Europe, but also in Spain (Southwestern Europe).

If you take a look at http://es.wiki.x.io/wiki/Caballos_de_frisia, it explains the origin of the name, identifies the pre-Roman peoples (in nowadays Spain) using these military structures and shows the photograph of a real Cheval de frise protecting the approaching to a Celtiberian "castrum" in the province of Guadalajara, in the center of the Iberian Peninsula. 62.83.6.144 (talk) 20:32, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Delaware River

http://www.buckslocalnews.com/articles/2012/11/21/bristol_pilot/news/doc50a7725188f4a636617615.txt — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.150.151 (talk) 16:19, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Spanischer Reiter

The German word for this is "Spanischer Reiter", in 17th century done with "Schweinsfedern" which were spears with a hoof for resting an arquebus on it. Replaced by bayonets in field battles, but still popular at miltiary non-permanent checkpoints because you can move the obstacle easily to permit passage. By the way; Friesland is basically flat and green and mostly not very fertile ground for grain production - I'm sure they had plenty horses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lastdingo (talk • contribs) 20:25, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Frisia was famed for its horses

Probably the most famous warhorse from the Medieval era was the "Frisian", so whoever made the comment in this article that the Frisian's didn't have horses doesn't seem to know anything. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Friesian_horse — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.254.18.190 (talk) 19:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Also commonly known as "turn-pikes" in 17th century English

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A43483.0001.001/1:9.12?rgn=div2;view=fulltext 130.51.30.30 (talk) 11:35, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

"The Frisians fought" is nonsense

Hi there,

Frisian historian here.

I would like to add the following: it makes no sense to say "the frisians" in this regard. For our over two thousand of years of history it has meant so many things as to be not very clear at all. In our moments of greatest national valour, during the early till late middle ages we fought on foot in the marshes and were deadly towards our mounted foes the Hollanders ("Dutch"). In our famously swampy land horses do not make a lot of sense. I myself am of Frisian nobility because my ancestor saved count Floris V from drowning on his horse in a swamp so I can tell you! Our horses have been famous export products but mostly as workhorses.

So perhaps there is some relationship but certainly not the one mentioned. And the referenced source I have never seen in my life, it is also unaccessible, and to be honest does not sound reliable at all. We never had an "empire", being a near-democratic confederation of peasants.

regards Sjerp van Wouden Amsterdam 85.146.80.113 (talk) 20:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)