Talk:Cherry on Top (Bini song)

Latest comment: 12 days ago by AstrooKai in topic FA Collaboration

Former featured article candidateCherry on Top (Bini song) is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. For older candidates, please check the archive.
Good articleCherry on Top (Bini song) has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
September 21, 2024Good article nomineeNot listed
October 28, 2024Good article nomineeListed
December 12, 2024Featured article candidateNot promoted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 17, 2024.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Bini's performance of "Cherry on Top" at KCON 2024 was the first act by a Filipino pop group at the event?
Current status: Former featured article candidate, current good article

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Hello, Bloomagiliw, AstrooKai, Borgenland, RFNirmala! I need your help for promoting featured article which is in discussion now, Some comments like I don't understand what they're saying, but, i said to the nom that I am open for all criticism and suggestions to promote in FA. If you are not busy, you can check the discussion here. I appreciate your efforts and contributions here, thanks! Royiswariii Talk! 11:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Roi! Thanks for putting this article up to FA nomination. I understand that you're having hard time understanding their recommendations. I have read their feedback so let me know if there's specific feedback by them that you don't understand, I will be happy to help.
Though I may only be able to help from time to time, since I am preparing for our research paper defense. But I will check Wikipedia occasionally, so feel free to drop your questions, I will try my best to reply them in a timely manner. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, I understand that you gave a research paper defense, we just finished our research paper defense earlier too. I understand some of their suggestions but it was unclear or not specifically what should need to be change. Royiswariii Talk! 11:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's okay. I see you have already addressed SchroCat's suggestions regarding the footnotes for the Filipino terms in the music video section, which I also copyedited earlier. For the "MOS blimps", they're probably referring to some inconsistencies with styling in the article, or some MOS violations. I suggest waiting for them to reply.
As for Heartfox's suggestions, I will elaborate them below (I will only include those that has not been addressed yet):
  • "and its lyrical theme includes confidence" → suggest converting this to a separate sentence and expanding on it. a "lyrical theme" is something, it doesn't really "include" something
They're basically saying that this part in the lead section should be a sentence of its own and be elaborated or expanded further from there.
  • "with Bini members Colet and Maloi participating in the songwriting process" → this is confusing as we are previously told it was "Written by Boy Matthews and Gaby Ramirez". participation but not credited?
They're seeking clarification regarding this, since the two Bini members are not in the credits of the song. I think this is because of the fact that you said it as participating in the songwriting process. I haven't noticed this when I posted my reply, but I have now. Colet and Maloi weren't involved in the literal "songwriting" process, but rather on the creative process only. Meaning they only participated in the initial brainstorming of the song, such as its tunes, but they did not participated in writing its lyrics (which is songwriting).
  • "The song topped the iTunes Philippines Top Songs chart and became the top trending music video on YouTube, garnering two million views in less than 24 hours after its release." → Per WP:SINGLEVENDOR, we generally don't care about iTunes, especially as this song entered main Billboard charts for Philippines anyways. Ditto "culminating in topping Spotify's Daily Top Songs chart".
They want any information about the song's performance on iTunes and Spotify charts to be removed since they are generally unsuitable for inclusion per WP:SINGLEVENDOR, especially in the song's case since it already charted in Billboard Philippines, which has more weight than the iTunes and Spotify charts.
  • "On November 17, 2023, Bini released" → we need to pretend readers are starting the article at the body, as the lead summarizes rather than introduces. Right now there is no description of what Bini is like there is in the lead.
They basically want the Background section (if not the lead section) to begin with some detail about who Bini is, since there's no context about who Bini is in the article. Though this is new to me since Gento (song) by SB19, which is currently FA-rated, doesn't have this kind of practice in the article. I suggest you bringing this up to them and wait for their feedback.
  • I find the background section lacking as it mostly focuses on past commercial successes rather than including a sense of artistry, vision, personal life, recording career, etc.
Same as the above—context about who Bini is.
  • The music video section generally doesn't come after the composition section.
The section should be placed further lower in the article, probably under Promotion and release. This is basically a matter of WP:DUE and/or WP:BALANCE, where its placement on the article relative to the top is based on its significance or weight related to the song (i.e., things that is not that "important" is placed lower in the article).
AstrooKai (Talk) 12:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • The music video section generally doesn't come after the composition section.
Does it mean need to merge to the music video section to Promotion and release?
  • They want any information about the song's performance on iTunes and Spotify charts to be removed since they are generally unsuitable for inclusion per WP:SINGLEVENDOR, especially in the song's case since it already charted in Billboard Philippines, which has more weight than the iTunes and Spotify charts.
This is noted. But, what should we add/change? The music video and accolades? Royiswariii Talk! 12:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Does it mean need to merge to the music video section to Promotion and release?
No, just move the music video below the Promotion and release.
This is noted. But, what should we add/change? The music video and accolades?
Just remove the details about Spotify performances for now. There's nothing new to be added yet since the song has not commercially performed new recently (besides Spotify and iTunes).
AstrooKai (Talk) 13:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • No, just move the music video below the Promotion and release.
  Done
  • Just remove the details about Spotify performances for now. There's nothing new to be added yet since the song has not commercially performed new recently (besides Spotify and iTunes).
  Done you can check it if the grammar is correct. Royiswariii Talk! 14:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Just did a quick small tweak, looks good overall. AstrooKai (Talk) 16:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'll try to help. I've seen their suggestions na. Busy rin sa acads but malapit na Christmas break namin, so... I'll probs work on that soon. Bloomagiliw (talk) 12:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's okay, if you are not busy and you have a free time, feel free to contribute! Royiswariii Talk! 12:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply