Talk:Charles I of England

Charles I of England

The title of this article is misleading as England was not his sole kingdom. Perhaps one of the regular editors would like to review that? Shipsview (talk) 17:29, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

See Talk:Charles I of England/Archive 2#Requested move 29 June 2021. Celia Homeford (talk) 07:27, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Five members

I'm wondering if the section on the Five Members should be summerised more and then linked to the article Five Members which should have all the details? Currently, I do not any such link. Jp2207 (talk) 23:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

There are two links to that article in that section. Celia Homeford (talk) 10:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Celia Homeford, indeed there is already a link. Thanks for spotting that. But don't you think it is better to have the link to the main article as I did it and remove the other in-line link? This is common practice in the rest of the article where sections have their own page (Bishops' Wars, Irish Rebellion, Long Parliament). My thinking is that such sections should be broad summaries only, or relating to Charles part played in them obviously, and otherwise avoid details best left in their own articles. Thoughts? Jp2207 (talk) 17:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@DrKay, re my change may I suggest that the inclusion of the names is superfluous to an article on the life of Charles I? The Five Members article can be easily followed by anyone who cares to find them. I left in Pym as he was the clear leader of the parliamentary opposition to Charles at the time, as referenced several times in the prior section. But I will grant that my first effort is a bit clumsy. How about keeping it simple?:

“On 3 January 1642, Charles directed Parliament to give up five specific members of the Commons - Pym included - on the grounds of high treason.”

Jp2207 (talk) 02:00, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Nothing is lost by naming the five and it's weird to name Pym but not the others. DrKay (talk) 07:08, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@DrKay Simplicity is lost. And I explained why Pym is mentioned. Anyway, it was just a suggestion based on the existence of a whole article on the 5 members topic to avoid duplication. I can easily live with it as is. Jp2207 (talk) 17:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Martyrdom

Per [1], all three articles are already linked from this one. Unsurprisingly, that's what I meant by 'repeated links'. Per [2], it's already in the main body. DrKay (talk) 19:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 15 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 00:34, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Charles I of England → Charles I of England, Scotland, and Ireland – Charles was not only the king of England. DieOuTransvaal (talk) 23:27, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and WP:SNOW close. It is well-established on Wikipedia that, where someone was a monarch of multiple countries, their title is that of the most important country. The same applies to move requests on his sons Charles II and James II/VII. PatGallacher (talk) 01:29, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Not exactly, though. In some instances, no countries are shown at all. GoodDay (talk) 15:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and WP:SNOW per PatGallacher. Charles I lived in England during his reign. Векочел (talk) 02:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Elizabeth II lived & Charles III lives in the United Kingdom. Yet we omit "of the United Kingdom" from there page names. Then there's George III, George IV, William IV, Queen Victoria, Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII & George VI. So apparently 'where' they live is irrelevant. GoodDay (talk) 15:07, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:SOVEREIGN: Where a monarch has reigned over a number of states, use the most commonly associated ordinal and state. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Unnecessarily long. Unnecessary disambiguation. Use the more concise unambiguous title. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Every monarch of England between 1542 and 1707 was also the monarch of Ireland, why single him out? Every monarch of England between 1603 and 1707 was also the monarch of Scotland. Dimadick (talk) 13:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Shorter is generally better. No one will be confused. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per previous.2601:249:9301:D570:928:1581:7D4F:E386 (talk) 02:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose He was primarily associated with England; the same way Christian VIII of Denmark was also King of Norway, but primarily associated with Denmark. The suggested title is also unnecessarily long. Keivan.f^Talk 06:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Very clear WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2024

so, i'd like to change Elizabeth Stuart's birthday day, because you put "29th" december while she was born on the 28th. My sources are the wikipedia articles about Elizabeth Stuart. Thanks again Amy2010ben (talk) 09:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source, see WP:CIRC. The source given in the article (Weir 1996, pp. 252–254) says 29th, though I do appreciate that ODNB (https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/8637) says 28th. Other sources give both dates, e.g. [3]. DrKay (talk) 10:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 13:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)