Talk:Charles Blount, 8th Baron Mountjoy
Latest comment: 15 years ago by PKM in topic Rename
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Title
editThe Complete Peerage lists as Earl of Devonshire, like the Cavendish Earldom. Since he is not listed under Earl of Devon, which is now held to have existed at the time, this would seem preferable. Septentrionalis 17:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Isn't he actually better known as the 8th Baron Mountjoy? Or is the "titles" NC driving another coach and four through "common names" these days? Alai (talk) 19:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- He is much better known as Baron Mountjoy.
- The EB 1911 says "Earl of Devonshire". I can't find any support for this text, which I have cut from the article:
- This title was granted as a recreation of the old Earldom of Devon, held by the Courtenays, which was then believed to be extinct. In 1831, the House of Lords decided that the Courtenay Earldom had existed de jure for the preceding two and a half centuries. To avoid making this situation more confusing, Mountjoy has usually been called the Earl of Devonshire.
- Barring any convincing evidence otherwise, I'm going with the Complete Peerage and the EB.
References
editI have added footnotes and another reference for the exact date of Tyrone's surrender. I removed these two antique items from the references; they may be sources for the EB article. Most of this text is straight from the EB. Also remove the cleanup refs tag.
- Richard Bagwell, Ireland under the Tudors vol. 3 (London, 1885-1890)
- Calendar of State Papers: Carew MSS. i., ii., (6 vols., 1867-1873).
Rename
editWikipedia:Naming_conventions_(names_and_titles)#British_peerage states: "When individuals held more than one peerage and are best known by a title other than their highest one, use the interim one."
On that basis, I believe this article should be moved to Charles Blount, 8th Baron Mountjoy. Do others agree? - PKM (talk) 16:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Absolutely agree! He is hardly ever called Earl of Devonshire as opposed to Lord Mountjoy; he got the title so late in his life, and then there are the famous Cavendish Devonshires...I hope it's o.k. I removed the birth and death dates of Sir Christopher Blount from the article text; his birth date is typically problematic, it seems (in his article and similar categories I've changed it alreay). Buchraeumer (talk) 15:50, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- I have no issues with removing unverified dates.
- I have asked for an admin to complete the move (since the proper titles exists as a redirect I can't do it myself). I expect the move will be made in the next couple of days. - PKM (talk) 16:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- Absolutely agree! He is hardly ever called Earl of Devonshire as opposed to Lord Mountjoy; he got the title so late in his life, and then there are the famous Cavendish Devonshires...I hope it's o.k. I removed the birth and death dates of Sir Christopher Blount from the article text; his birth date is typically problematic, it seems (in his article and similar categories I've changed it alreay). Buchraeumer (talk) 15:50, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) And here we are, settled in at Charles Blount, 8th Baron Mountjoy. - PKM (talk) 06:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)